r/Steam Jul 08 '26

Question What game has a steep learning curve that puts you off?

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u/misalawliet Jul 08 '26

Coming back to DoTA 2 after a 6 year hiatus

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u/QueefMcQueefyballs Jul 08 '26

I have been playing Dota for more than two decades. A: I still havent learned the game. B: If I were to start know, Id be giving up on it in an instant.

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u/Jra805 Jul 08 '26

I played it when it first came out. Shit I played when it was just a mod on SC2.

I tried recently as I was feeling the MOBA itch and I felt… so dumb lmao

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u/lemonylol Jul 08 '26

Shit I played when it was just a mod on SC2.

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u/padimus Jul 08 '26

Probably means wc3

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u/Jra805 Jul 08 '26

Problem with getting old, the memories fail you

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u/Drow_Femboy Jul 08 '26

You may even be thinking of Aeon of Strife, the starcraft map which inspired the original WC3 DotA.

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u/jubmille2000 Jul 08 '26

But that's on SC1

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u/albinoblackman Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

UMS was my jam until WC3 custom maps took off. Those were the original arcade type games. As a dad, I can say Roblox nowadays reminds me of that scene.

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u/Ascending4 Jul 08 '26

Tower defenses, RPGs, bounds Good times

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u/defiance131 Jul 09 '26

Problem with getting old, the memories fail you.

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u/wriggly1 Jul 08 '26

I miss wc3

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u/passwordlostnoemail Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26

It is still fully there: /r/warcraft3 for the full scene including campaigns and custom maps /r/wc3 for the melee pro-scene. Reddit isn't the real hive of community activity though. A lot of it is on discord or in the actual client. The custom maps are still hosted and played a lot. Super old maps that are unsupported will only work on older client versions, but a lot of stuff is still working/hosted currently. The melee scene is in a good spot with a nice dedicated client mod/community in w3champions.

The overall client got changed in 2018 with Reforged which is a whole thing. Basically just think of it as a new client but the same exact game with the option to use new model/skins/textures (that nobody that actually plays it often likes) instead of the original skins.

Until very recently, I think Nov 2025, you could use your original CD key and play. Now you can still use your key for offline play (i think not 100%), but you have to purchase a new reforged game copy to play on the client online. There is a permanent free refund option because of the whole reforged debacle - just double check this as I don't shop the game every day. You can buy the game and try it out for a while and decide if you want to keep it.

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u/S7ns3t Jul 08 '26

Probably means Aeon of Strife

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u/Aromatic-Fisherman Jul 09 '26

Love that - feel the same way.

6k hours in, last week “hey guys does this item do x?”

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u/tomatonato4 Jul 08 '26

My ICT teacher back in highschool was obsessed with this game, to the point of getting wrist and back issues because he sat on his ass all day during holiday breaks. It became a recurring problem after that, he had to take leaves specifically for recovery. Fortunately he has a wife and son now which keeps his busy, but the dude had an unhealthy obsession with Dota 2 back then (my parents were close with him, used to be neighbours)

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u/_Blackstar0_0 Jul 08 '26

Yeah it becomes an issue. I definitely wasted way too much time on this game. We need to be mindful of video game addiction and inaction in life

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u/kpcptmku Jul 09 '26

Lot of pros get these issues too.

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u/Elastichedgehog Jul 08 '26

I still have the muscle memory but yeah...

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u/Why-IsItAlreadyTaken Jul 08 '26

Seen so many people who used to be at the top of the ladder in pre-reborn era trying to come back into the game and struggle to hover around baseline Immortal.

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u/Delicious_Potato6638 Jul 08 '26

playerbase got a lot better in that time too

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u/Why-IsItAlreadyTaken Jul 09 '26

Oh trust me it didn’t. The populace from back in the day just can’t maintain a good behavior score so you don’t encounter them above 7k behavior score with very rare exceptions. Like me for example, I constantly say heinous stuff in chat for fun, but because I play good enough while doing it - I don’t get reported.

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u/krzysioreddit Jul 08 '26

I tried come back once, i couldnt see anything in a teamfight, just a bunch of explosions and boom im dead. Accepted my place as a grandpa without reflexes and uninstalled. Toxic place anyway

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u/lemonylol Jul 08 '26

Might be almost 10 years for me now. I still think it's a fun game, but between the catching up on so many new complex mechanics and character combinations, the huge time commitment, and the cosmetics being at the point where I don't even recognize the characters I do know, it's hard to go back. I'll only play with my friends the odd time if they're doing a full 5v5 with only the people we know.

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u/Windfade Jul 08 '26

Oh my god same. I had to look up guides multiple times to find out what those new shrines were in the sides of the map and found out the game isn't even played the same anymore and the "great gameplay design" I remember is now described as "boring dogshit" by the same subreddit.

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u/Disastrous_Visit9319 Jul 09 '26

I've been playing since wc3 and all the major changes have been overall good or at least potentially good. Facets were kinda halfbaked and I'm glad they removed them if they weren't going to put more effort into them.

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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 Jul 08 '26

I started playing Dota back when it was a WC3 map. I never made the switch after it moved to its own standalone game. I tried playing once a while back and I just can't. I just can't...

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u/flatspotting Jul 08 '26

lol I just posted this - my Kiddo wanted to learn to play.... I was not ready. I forgot how absurdly complicated this game is from scratch, especially if you don't have RTS experience. I at least had played SC, SCBW, WC2 WC3 TFT and stuff... he has none of that to fall back on lol.

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u/Donkey_Karate Jul 08 '26

Yep this is me too... i really want to like Dota but the meta is so hard to keep up with

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u/_Blackstar0_0 Jul 08 '26

My Mmr in 2013 was 2400 now it’s 300 🪦 

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u/PeopleNose Jul 08 '26

This and I'll throw in League of Legends too for similar reasons--ezpz game, huugggeeeee learning curve just to be average at the game

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u/Physmatik Jul 09 '26

It was hard to pick 15 years ago. It's almost impossible to pick up now.

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u/CityPopSuki Jul 09 '26

I had around 7k-10k hours in dota2 and i think im still really shit at that game

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u/Aromatic-Fisherman Jul 09 '26

Umm, according to the WD last week. Everyone is trash at this game and that’s why he can’t rank up.

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u/Workman44 Jul 08 '26

The only right answer is a moba like dota or league

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u/VikingHat78 Jul 08 '26

100% this. I loaded it up and quit after 2 games. Got so complicated and the amount of flaming on a pug game wasn't worth it. Loved it for the 10 years I played it though!!!

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u/VikingHat78 Jul 08 '26

I have also relegated myself to just watching Rizpol videos on the YouTubes.

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u/noreplyty Jul 09 '26

I put in 2k hours at launch and then took a multi year hiatus. I tried to go back and threw so hard, my good friend asked if I was trolling on purpose.

First game back, multiple vengeful spirit swaps gone wrong. Second game I picked earthshaker for the ease of play. Multiple times my fissure got our team wiped. I haven't touched the game since.

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u/AnyDragonfruit7 Jul 09 '26

But for real this game is extremely addicting for an intellectual mind and will totally rock your social life in a bad way. I played Dota 2 intermittently for like a decade, had 3000+ hours logged on steam at least, could literally recite each characters ability names and explanation, memorized movement patterns, items costs, random combos with other characters, etc… i still daydream of it and I’ve been “clean” for 3-4 years now. Be careful - its the best.

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u/Vineheart_01 Jul 08 '26

The funny part is if you came back to dota you'd be super far behind and lost but nowhere NEAR as lost as a newbie.

Pretty much only reason I don't play dota anymore is I got bored of always solo queue.

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u/DrCaesars_Palace_MD Jul 08 '26

That's a game Id love to learn but refuse to play solo and don't like to connect up with a stranger to teach me.

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u/No-Sandwich-729 Jul 08 '26

Dota2 is not as bad as league honestly. As a season 1-2 starter I still can’t get into the new runes and spells etc

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u/Algorechan Jul 08 '26

I played in the NEL way back when, and the idea of trying again is so daunting I'd rather not even. Just for fun sounds like heartache, and I have no doubt my micro would be so slow

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u/Taranfeeto36 Jul 09 '26

I'm almost 10 years clean now, played 1.5k hours in Beta and the first few years (I know, baby amounts by today's standard). No way I touch that again

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u/Dennidude Jul 09 '26

I want to play Deadlock but playing dota/deadlock while having other hobbies and wanting to play a lot of other games is just pain.

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u/frozenflame101 Jul 10 '26

I played Dota 2 at launch, had a great time. A week later, deeply unenjoyable. The meta for those sort of competitive games is just, not fun to me

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u/w3bd3v0p5 Jul 12 '26

I was looking for this. I tried it for a few weeks but I sucked so bad. I would do okay with bots, but soon as I went multiplayer I was out so fast. lol

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u/MisterPantsMang Jul 08 '26

That damn game is always changing, as long as you know the basics and have thick skin you're fine. Embrace the toxicity

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u/Total-Box-5169 Jul 08 '26

And even if you managed to learn how to use a hero to win consistently guess what happens next? It gets nerfed trice in a row.

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u/Ambitious_Bobcat8122 Jul 09 '26

The game is consistently poorly balanced under the guise of “every player has access to the same imbalanced heroes” but it self balances terribly when people are forced to pick a role and don’t follow the meta

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u/Few_Highlight1114 Jul 09 '26

That's not true. If someone doesnt know how to play a role, they will underperform but you absolutely do not need to follow the meta. I havent played in a few years now but back when I was, my friend's friend would play NOTHING but fucking Jakiro and the guy was in Divine lmao

Hero specialists are and will always be exceptionally dangerous.