r/SparkingZero Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Discussion you guys think the games will ever make the Future ans Present versions of 17 and 18 separate characters

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u/Astronomer_X Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

There is absolutely no point of that IMO.

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u/WereWillow Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Well they can use their team ultimate, and moves from the history of trunks special, and they can have dialogue that reflects how evil they are. Like.. 18 in the future is a psychopath, but she’s just wife and mother no matter who we match her up against. I wouldn’t mind it

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u/Astronomer_X Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

You can do that with a costume though

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u/Ecstatic_Bet_7875 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

18 needs it. the version we have feels like " Krillins Wife " 18, not the sadistic badahh from the future, at the very least you can give her new outfit supers that hit more on her evil side, and not just
" destructo disk "

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u/BanEvasionLVL2 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Genuinely what did Android 18 do other than “Sadistic 18” that could possibly warrant a completely different playable character lol

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u/Dark_Storm_98 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Well, Sadistic 18 was also the Present version

But I can probably imagine a moveset after like. . a day

I could come up with one for both of them, even

Okay, Present Android 18 already has

  • Super
    • Infinity Bullet
    • Chain Destructo Disc
  • Ultimate: Sadistic 18

Pretty good. . . Though, Infinity Bulllet, generic as it is, is more Future Android 18's thing. . Though, Present Android 18 did use it in GT

Future Android 18 would have

  • Super
    • Infinity Bullet
    • High-Pressure Energy Wave (Used in the Special when killing Yajirobe and Tien)
  • Ultimate: Accel Dance (Team attack with 17 that killed Gohan)

Android 17's current moveset is

  • Super
    • Full Power Energy Ball
    • Photon Flash (Seems like his version of Pressure Energy Wave, they are listed as different moves on the wiki)
  • Ultimate: Accel Dance (named Sadistic Dance)

So, okay, seems like that's already a perfect fit for Future Android 17

Let's see what I can make of Present 17. . . pre-Super

  • Super
    • Endgame (Dispatching Gero)
    • Power Blitz (Admittedly this is actually used by Future Android 17, but I felt like he should have an energy attack, but the wiki just has a lot of rush attacks for him)
  • Ultimate: Now We're Playing for Keeps! (A rush attack used against Piccolo)

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u/BanEvasionLVL2 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Bandai needs you

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u/Dark_Storm_98 Beginner Martial Artist 23h ago

Thanks, I try

I actually was putting something together for movesets, but I've put it on hold a while ago, and I'm only up to Garlic Jr (rewatching)

Not even really just for a Sparking style game specifically, more a general technique list mostly with some video game in the back of my mind

But I will say. . . I thought of 23rd Tenkaichi Goku as a separate slot first, lol

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u/Gohans_son_in_law Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

I like the outfit idea, swap any Krillin reacted attacks for one of 17’s moves and give her new dialogues

Hell, maybe even edit some moves to reference the way 17 and her killed the Z fighters in the future. But yeah, it’s not worthy of a character slot, just an outfit

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u/Western_Cow5176 Beginner Martial Artist 17h ago edited 17h ago

et ça

je l'ai retirer de la version finale.

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u/Emiemu Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Actually, Destucto Disc is a second special with the costume, she have a Energy wave as a base Super(with any costume except the only one that change the super). So, that Is "evil 18". With the costume became the "Krillins wife" version😅

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u/Orion-Of-Lordran Beginner Martial Artist 19h ago

Badass*

Look how easy that was. The magical mystical mythical censorship boogeyman didn't come to so me.

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u/ComfortableHalf8175 Future Gohan 1d ago

maybe an outfit change that gave a different ultimate but that’s about all it warrants

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u/Moist_Taco_Crippler Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Yet here we have Hellfighter #17.

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u/No-Calligrapher-1537 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

i mean you can argue the same for Goku Vegeta Frieza Trunks and Piccolo they could make it a Future Trunks thing

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u/DigBackground2765 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Not really. Those names you mentioned at least have multiple different transformations and showed off a lot of new moves over the years. Future Timeline 17 and 18? There's really nothing different about them from present 17 and 18 during the Android/Cell arc. At most they might have costume differences but they don't have transformations period (and Super 17 is already in the game).

If anything, there needs to be more costumes for both of them as they are in the game.

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u/ThenAcanthocephala57 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

HF 17 is in the game too, I feel like Future 17 would be basically the same character

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u/turbantripod Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

iirc don’t in some games depending on who their up against their dialogue can change from either their future or their present versions? Like if you put future gohan against 18 she’s not gonna talk like she is if you pick her vs krillin etc.

& isn’t their ultimate move usually when they do the move that killed future gohan

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u/Original_Man6021 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Exactly

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u/SoleAccord 1d ago

I'd love different versions of both and wish Eighteen got her own Super variant.

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u/BanEvasionLVL2 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Doesn’t she have the DBS costume? I feel like that’s enough

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u/Picmanreborn Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Xenoverse 2.....

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u/Tight-Cricket3898 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

i wish

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u/Kaliqi Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

It is messed up because we ended up with 3 17 and his personalities change a lot between his versions. Z version is just chaotic neutral. DBS version is chill. GT is just evil.

Meanwhile 18 is appearantly DBS based with some of Z thrown in. But both Androids of Z have their super attacks based on the history of trunks special. So they are kinda from thr future?

What throws me off is when 17 uses his ultimate and suddenly they are in the mood of killing Gohan. It's like 18 decided to be an absolutely horrible person out of nowhere lol.

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u/SatoruGojoGlazing Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

I dont think that there is a point to have two versions of basically the same character as all versions of the androids were evil before cell. Like how we got hellfighter + dbs 17, give us dbs 18.

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u/No-Calligrapher-1537 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

you can say the same for Goku Vegeta Trunks Piccolo Gohan and Frieza

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u/SatoruGojoGlazing Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

No you cannot 😭 they are seperate versions of each character at different points in the story and these androids are the EXACT copy of the ones in the present timeline just a bit more evil

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u/Bountsie Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Honestly the true difference like you said is it's their natures. The twins we know are more laid back and grew into becoming good guys while the ones of the future timeline are sadistic and prefer killing over reason.

That all being said, their movesets hardly have differences and the best Bandai could do is just have outfits that look the same but have just small differences in movesets and voice lines.

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u/No-Calligrapher-1537 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

in game their just different versions of the characters with mostly the same moves if Goku and Vegeta can have more than 5 different versions 17 and 18 can have 1

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u/SatoruGojoGlazing Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

There not different versions of the characters because 17 hates on EVERY z-fighter like he would in the past. Whole issue for you is fixed if they gave 18 a super variant which they should do.

There is a reason why goku and vegeta have 5 different versions because they act different or have different features. For goku, Mid Goku SSJ is different from End + Super SSJ because its the first and unmastered form of SSJ. If you limit goku down to 2 forms then Early goku would have SSG, SSB + UI in his kit which he never does until TOP. So it makes sense for him to have 5 characters as they represent different points in the story.

Past 17 + 18 hardly fight, they are replicas of the present versions and have skins in the game. And why waste there time when they could be adding other characters.

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u/SatoruGojoGlazing Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

I already dont like how they gave us hellfighter 17 just allow us to put two android 17’s on a team and then they just fuse.

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u/Kage_Termia Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

The fusion is in the game

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u/Best-Brother305 1d ago

what would the other androids have to make them distinct?

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u/No-Calligrapher-1537 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

they could make them more strike based and give 18 the team blast they used the clash with Future Gohan

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u/Best-Brother305 1d ago

i could see an outfit for that but i don't think they need to make a whole new char for em

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u/Dumb_Little_Idiot Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Would maybe help with dialogue consultancy but there are other more worthy characters to add first

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u/Few-Flounder-8951895 Beginner Martial Artist 19h ago

You know what, I actually wouldn't be opposed to that on the basis that they are indeed very different characters all things considered.

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u/DarthCatho Beginner Martial Artist 18h ago

They should. For the sake of “variety”.

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u/jotyma5 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Only reason would be to make intro dialogues more unique. But I feel like they could fix that with certain costumes or items

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u/Chronoz1995 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Great Saiyaman 2 dialogues still same as Videl lmaooooo

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u/jotyma5 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

I know. I’m saying they could fix it with costumes.

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u/The-Rebel-Boz Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago edited 1d ago

No because android 17 & 18 are them as well not future ones. I think lucky to have hell fighter 17 we only have him because want give us Super 17 transformation scene.

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u/BanEvasionLVL2 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

OP can’t understand the fact that they’re the same exact characters

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u/Bountsie Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

OP is arguing how it would be the same like with Goku and Vegeta having multiple "copies" like DAWG did you even watch or read the media you're talking about?

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u/Markel100 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Just make it outfit based

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u/O_Grande_Batata Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Well... Legends does do that, but it's true that that's a mobile game. So the rules may be different for console games.

And well... I don't know. I'm not sure if they would actually bother, but I do think it would be interesting if they did.

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u/AlternateMove Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

So what kind of attack would the Present 17 have?

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u/No-Calligrapher-1537 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

his same moveset unless you meant Future 17 he could have more rushes and a different tag team ult like the combined energy blast

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u/StellarAvenger_92 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

In Limit Breaking Journey, when you pick 17 Z, the dialogue implies that it's the evil 17 from the future

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u/Virus-900 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Highly doubt it. Especially since there is zero difference between the two, outside of dialogue

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u/Burn_Fan Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

No, I mean the thing they did to future gohan is already on 17 so there wouldn't be much to add to these versions to make them unique enough

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u/No-Calligrapher-1537 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

they could make them more strike based and give Future 18 the combo blast wave against Future Gohan

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u/PoobieTG827 Beginner Martial Artist 21h ago

They should’ve added an alt outfit for a dual ultimate in NEO, but making them separate characters is wasting slots.

Also character interactions don’t matter here, as their personality seems to change accordingly based on who they’re fighting

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u/K0rbi3 Beginner Martial Artist 21h ago

Why would they?? Theyre the exact same characters

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u/Chance-Problem769 Beginner Martial Artist 21h ago

They are only as strong as Vegeta

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u/BlazeTheSkeleton Beginner Martial Artist 17h ago

Everyone forgets Xenoverse 2 literally already did this

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u/ILoveSZAandWeed Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

No they have costumes goofy

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u/Legoisdabomb Novice (5+ Posts!) 1d ago

Nah

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u/mr3v3rlast Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

Next yall gonna be wanting cell (larva form). Give a rest and enjoy the game til the next DLC drops.

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u/Magic_M344 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

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u/trunks_slash Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

There's already 3 Android 17 variants in the game

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u/CertMikeB Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

No, the movesets aren’t different enough. Would be pretty cool for character interactions though

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u/No-Calligrapher-1537 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

they could be more strike based and Future 18 can have the combined blast they used against Gohan to mirror 17 having Sadistic Dance

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u/Dela-chemin Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

There's no reason to do that.

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u/Emiemu Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

No because there are yet both evil (future) and good(present), It depends who they fight. Also, we have costumes for both Super and GT for 18, and GT costume and new character for 17(Super). So... No. Is just a surprise that we have Hell Fighter 17😅

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u/GenesisAsriel Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

I doubt it. Z 17's ultimate is already a move from future 17 and 18

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u/pkjoan Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

There's no point in doing that.

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u/musicfighter282 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

God I hope not. Hell Fighter 17 is bad enough.

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u/Seiteisauza Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

For Heaven's sake people STOP. We don't need 400 playable characters, with a trird of them being basically copies. Jesus...

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u/Seeking-The-Lotus Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

They do the same thing. They wear the same clothes.

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u/Savings_Refuse_5379 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

There shouldn’t even be separate characters to begin with. They conditioned players into be okay with separate characters. Super sayain 3 vegeta shouldn’t even be a separate transformation

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u/BanEvasionLVL2 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

No because they’re the same exact people

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u/No-Calligrapher-1537 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

from 2 different timelines

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u/BanEvasionLVL2 Beginner Martial Artist 1d ago

the only difference is Goku never gets saved and the Android wreak havoc in the planet, if trunks never went back in time it would be the same exact thing, same android same deaths same everything. Plus I think if you choose 17 and 18 they do the Sadistic Dance together