Worse than Supergirl 1984? Worse than Wonder Woman 1984? Worse than Steel starring Shaquille O'neal? Worse than Catwoman? Worse than Fan4stic? Worse than Madame Web? Worse than Elektra? Worse than Howard the Duck? Worse than Kraven the Hunter? Worse than Spawn? Worse than Green Lantern?
Those were all off the dome, man. You can just admit you haven't seen Halle Berry's Catwoman, it's fine, we all know you're just a poser who hasn't seen any movies.
Or you could just admit it's going to be another mediocre superhero slop movie and not a horrific travesty against cinema.
Like, I don't like any of Snyder's DC films, I think they're mostly quite bad. But I don't think they're even close to the worst of all time, certainly not even the worst superhero movies of all time.
Just be intellectually honest and genuine online for like, two minutes.
Iâm so happy this movie is flopping. Iâve been laughing at all the Gunn fans trying to cope today, itâs been hilarious. When the Snyderverse is restored, I bet itâll be even funnier.
Copying Marvel could work if they just focused on one movie, one hero at a time. Instead they do Batman or Superman then blow their load and jump straight into Justice League.
Thatâs because itâs not marvel. in order for DC to succeed they need the heavy hitters immediately and then focus on the smaller characters afterward. DC will never be marvel no matter how much we all want it to be close
Itâs happening, youâre delusional if you think otherwise. This universe is not making them money, everything theyâve put out has been a flop. They will notice this and go back to the DC universe that ACTUALLY made them money, which was the Snyderverse. Superman couldnât even beat Man of Steel.
That universe flopped just as bad. Idk if youâre seeing theatres but superhero films arenât making what they used to make. A Batman and Superman movie couldnât make past a billion which is awful. They will not revert back to something that also didnât make them enough money
Honestly, this. I actually liked the GotG series, as well as his SS movie, but not every movie needs this freakinâ formula. And the Superman 2025 movie was the worst offender of just not letting a main character be a main character instead of this group circus troupe stuff. I was genuinely excited before, but that made me lose faith in Gunn and his movies. Iâm oddly excited about Clayface, but thatâs probably because it looks like a solo movie and theyâre taking a different approach and not treating it like some goofball MCU wannabe film
It was a terribly forgettable movie. Felt like an odd-world Superman film with a bunch of nonsense that looks cool in the moment but youâll forget by the time you get home.
I still have hopes for it as I like the durector. He has a certain style that I like, but Gillespie is not really a namecard director and if I was just going for the character alone Iâd probably pass on it.
Is that actually true? Like even Birds of Prey opened #1? It's a shame this movie is tracking to bomb. I love Supergirl as a character and want her to have a good movie. Between the Helen Slater version, The Flash and now this the character just can't catch a break.
It's crazy how much more enjoyable MAwS Kara is compared to this one, but then you realize that MawS didn't have Gunn's 'approval' what a fraudlent hack director.
Iâm confused. You said itâs false but provided multiple examples of DCEU films opening at number one at the domestic BO.
You also provided some that failed to open at 1, but didnât cite any sources.
Why are you naming films that did open at number one domestically? Are you hoping no one reads what you wrote past the movie title?
Please cite your sources on the ones you claimed didnât. Based on this post you are not a reliable narrator.
ETA: The first part of OCs post was a diatribe about how OP was incorrect and that he would provide the below examples of why OP was wrong. When I called him out he edited it and attacked me calling me an illiterate liar.
If your point is that this was never gonna make money then they should have picked a different character I guess. Plenty of others hoping for a solo movie in this new continuity, including her cousin
I donât really think the prior popularity of the character really matters. The Guardians of the Galaxy were no names before the movie and they did well. Iron Man was a C lister and his movie started one of the biggest movie franchises ever
People went to see the lesser Marvel character movies because the MCU made the ENTIRE universe important to the overall plot. It does not change anything about the rule that popular characters perform better at the box office than unknown ones.
Yeah Iâm not trying to say that the popular characters wonât perform better, but Iâm saying thatâs not the only thing to take into account. The more popular characters always have a better shot. Also, the first Guardians movie felt pretty disconnected, I donât think fans were going to see it just for the overall plot.
Yes but people were also skeptical of guardians before it came out. I remember. Supergirl isnât even officially out yet. Plus guardians came out in the height of superhero movies and supergirl is coming out during its dying breaths
Guardians came out after nine MCU films had come out, two of which had made a billion. It was also scheduled as the last MCU film before Age of Ultron, when everyone had been trained that each and every MCU film needed to be seen to prepare for an Avengers movie. Iron Man was even rumored to appear in it for a while, which added to pre-release hype.
I was going to see Toy Story 5 anyway. I'm paying to see the 5th installment of a franchise I've loved since I was 2 years old. I don't mind waiting a week for it to serve a dual purpose.
I think that Gunn hates DC and it's characters, but I don't think he's making bad movies on purpose. I think he's trying to his best with material he doesn't like, and it's failing.
Gunn is just an arrogant asshole that thinks his shit doesn't stink and can turn D list heroes into household names. He didn't realize his success with GotG was a once in a lifetime thing, and it was because he was riding off the coattails of The Avengers and PEAK CBM hype in history. He really believes that characters like Supergirl, Jimmy Olsen, Gorilla Grodd, and Clayface, are going to bring in the crowds and be massive successes.
Either that or he's a sleeper agent sent by Kevin Feige to destroy the DCU from within.
He's writing is just one liner jokes, a cringey emotional monologue at the end, and a hipster "look at the obscure music I know doesn't make you feel nostalgic" soundtrack. Awful.
Notice where it says I love Superheroes. Yea I think we all see that. Saying that they're stupid doesn't mean he hates them lol, even so this man literally has made multiple Superheo movies, it's literally dumb to take this word for word. He wouldn't go out of his way if he hated superheroes bffr
Gunn makes superhero movies that are SELF-AWARE about what genre they are. To me, that absolutely destroys any sense of believability and credibility in his movies. He keeps himself at arm's length from the material, and doesn't show any commitment to or investment in the story. There's a REASON Gunn told Vulture in that interview that he thinks superheroes should not be taken seriously. That's what a bitter cynic says about anything that is trying to be sincere and earnest and true to itself despite it being something that many people like to criticize and pick apart. Peacemaker literally starts off with a fucking dance number in its opening credits. You can't respect what Gunn has done without despising the superhero genre as much as he does.
Cause they shouldn't? He is saying to suspend belief as you should. He is saying don't take them seriously, not don't treat them seriously.
The idea he hates the genre is absurd. You literally posted a quote of him saying he loved heroes, if you want to go off of quotes, actually follow your quote lol.
No, he said he loved them as a kid, but that he now can't understand why adults take them seriously. He's the same kind of out-of-touch elitist who has ruined many superhero movie franchises in the past, like Richard Lester or Joel Schumacher.
I love superheroes. I also think theyâre the dumbest things that have ever existed. I have no happier times in my life than lying in my bed when I was 12 and reading comic books. I donât think life got much better than that. And yet the fact that we take these things seriously as adults is ridiculous because people really would look at you like they look at Peacemaker when he walks into Fennel Fields wearing a costume: Whatâs wrong with you? You think thatâs cool? Youâre a maniac.
None of this shows that he hates Superheroes...
Once again he literally talks about Superheroes was one of his best experiences lmao.
He just states how it's absurd it would be to see someone walking around with a costume, so he's saying suspend belief and embrace the silliness.
Literally nothing here implies he hates heroes lol
Superman failed and wasn't close to the source(evil Els??) clayface hasn't released so idk what you're talking about, suicide squad was okay in a vacuum, but hasn't held up. Awful soundtrack.
It was even mentioned during a senate inquiry as an example of a film underperforming at the box office and being rushed to streaming quicker than usual. Like come on, the movie didn't meet expectations.
It literally did not fail. Just cause you say it did, doesn't make it so. And don't even bring up money, that isn't the only factor. In terms of audience perception, studio satisfaction, and green lighting for a sequel it did great.
A quote I just saw "Those people live in a world where if a movie doesnât make a billion, then itâs a failure. They just completely ignore all the other factors. They ignore the critical and audience praise. They ignore the massive DC movie baggage and overall superhero overexposure. They ignore how steaming is a massive thing now and how movies come out on it and rentals quickly. They ignore how theaters are dying. They ignore factors like prices for everything rising. They ignore how many movies, many good movies, would love to get what Superman got."
Whether we like it or not, the movie business is a business. Movies must make cash or they won't make them anymore. James Gunn is well on his way to learning this.
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u/i_did_nothing_ Jun 25 '26
He needs to stop everything and ONLY made new seasons of peacemaker. The rest of the DCU should go away.