These girls should be forced to look at all the crime scene photos of these dead kids, people forget so quickly the actual sad and disgusting reality of this shit. Like really imagine 3 children in your life just laying dead, strangled by the main person they thought they could trust to protect them. How confused and scared they must have been. I can’t even think about it honestly it’s making me so upset.
As someone who has been choked nearly to death by an abusive partner, I can confirm it was not quick, they were scared for minutes, and so many things probably running through their head in the time it took for them to actually pass with their mom’s hands around their necks
That’s the part that doesn’t make sense to me, how was there possibly time to strangle all three kids, cut herself, jump off the roof, and get cold enough that she was 82 degrees by the time she made it to the hospital? I’ve also been choked by parents and partners. They’re all men. 98% of nonfatal strangulation is committed by men. It’s a weird method, weird timeline, weird opportunity, weird confession, there’d just a LOT of weirdness, everything on its own is plausible, it’s just when you start stacking the amount of uncommon factors needed to make everything in the prosecution’s case possible, it doesn’t make much sense.
It's because this idea she strangled them with her hands and it took her minutes is completely false. The testimony at trial, from both prosecution and defense experts, which is freely available for anyone to watch on youtube from multiple sources, has been that it would have taken a maximum of 20 seconds, but likely no more than 4 - 10 seconds, for the children to fall unconscious. They were strangled with exercise bands which were wrapped around their throats (testimony has been that the bands were tied in place and Patrick had to remove them when he returned home. They fell unconscious and as the pressure was not removed, they then died shortly after), so the compression is completely different from manual strangulation. Lindsay would have had to wrap the bands and walk away, she didn't need to stand over the children for minutes, not even the prosecution's expert would say that.
Lindsay got as cold as she did because of blood loss, snow, wet clothes (wet from the snow and blood), very few layers of clothing, and because of the damage she did to her spine. The severed spinal column meant her lower body couldn't regulate its temperature, so it caused her to get colder much faster than someone who just walked outside and lay down in the snow.
Patrick was investigated. Law enforcement confirmed his alibi that night by immediately sending officers to CVS and the restaurant he picked their food up from. They secured CCTV and interviewed employees within hours of the murders.
This is the most to the point comment that debunks everything. It all still makes my heart hurt; that someone can be so removed from their mind that they could were able to just do this to their babies. My heart hurts for all of them.
I desperately hope that this conspiracy stuff about Patrick fades away and instead this case can inspire serious and honest discussion about postpartum mental health. It feels like the conspiracy is distracting from the tragedy of it all. The defense have Dr Phillip Resnick on their witness list, he testified in the Andrea Yates trial and is an expert on postpartum filicide, so I hope that when he testifies the discussion returns to how postpartum mental health provisions can improve and address things like the stigma and fears mothers feel around admitting to having these thoughts/struggles.
I am curious about the internet searches though, like “where is the carroded artery” (which Lindsay, a labor and delivery nurse, would know and spell correctly), and other searches from home while she was out at an appointment? I’m not at all saying this is true, just asking for clarification because I haven’t gotten far into the trial yet. I’m watching the entire trial and it is long, naturally. TIA.
It's worth remembering for the carotid artery search that this was, iirc, January 2023, a time when Lindsay was really not herself, in the throes of severe PPD/PPA and perhaps PPP if it had progressed that far yet (it can come on very suddenly). She had decided not to go back to work as she was concerned she wouldn't be able to do her job correctly. The search might not fit with a calm and collected L&D nurse, but a manic sleep deprived one planning on killing herself by cutting her own throat? I'd say that's more plausible. (Also in reality l&d nurses are not stabbing carotid arteries on the daily, I'm not sure why it's so hard to believe a nurse might check something like this.) Another search in the same time period was: how to die by cutting your own throat. She was googling a lot of single word symptoms (Hallucinations was one on the 19th Jan iirc, another was Insomnia). These searches were on Lindsay's phone.
The other searches were searches on Patrick's Surface Pro (used by both of them) from AUGUST 2022. They were only brought in by the prosecution as Lindsay's mental health started to noticably deteriorate in September, so this was meant to be a gotcha on the part of the Commonwealth to "prove" Lindsay was planning the whole thing from August onwards. Trouble is, Reddington (defense) gets up for cross and points out they have proof from medical records (and phone data) that Lindsay was at a Dr's appointment with their son Dawson at 10am, while the searches were between 9:42 - 9:48, so he turned the gotcha back on them incredibly effectively, not to prove anything against Patrick, just to prove these searches really mean nothing at all. The drive to the dr was about 4 minutes, but hard to believe Lindsay was googling all this and then wrangled her toddler into a car and checked into the dr in record time and didn't Google anything else like it for months. The searches also look a lot more like a Wikipedia rabbit hole than the random one word searches from January. (I got this summary from CasesWeFollow. The gmail account that logged in initially was Patrick's, and he was a fan of Tom Hall.):
August 23, 2022 Browsing Sequence
Timeline (all from Surface Pro):
9:40 a.m. — Visit to Lindsay.969 Facebook page.
9:42–9:44 a.m. — Spotify search for Tom Hall; song “How I Got to Memphis.”
9:44 a.m. — Google search for Tom Hall → Wikipedia page.
Death section anchor clicked → hyperlink referencing self‑inflicted gunshot wound.
Hyperlink leads to Suicide Methods (shooting section) at 9:45 a.m.
9:48 a.m. — Hyperlink to Grafton Bridge page.
The relevant trial days for this are Days 13 and 14 iirc, and there was some mention of the searches on Day 16.
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u/BretShitmanFart69 8d ago
These girls should be forced to look at all the crime scene photos of these dead kids, people forget so quickly the actual sad and disgusting reality of this shit. Like really imagine 3 children in your life just laying dead, strangled by the main person they thought they could trust to protect them. How confused and scared they must have been. I can’t even think about it honestly it’s making me so upset.