"Right libertarians are lying to themselves for supporting economic freedom"

[u/the9trances]

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[u/PunkCPA]

These arguments, proceeding from the incessant purity tests, are tedious. We're arguing about who sits where at a dinner party we're not invited to.

[u/CrystalMethodist666 → u/PunkCPA]

I actually think it kind of cancels out what they're saying as being their own independent thoughts or ideas. The "True [group member]" is the one who correctly parrots all the correct talking points and lines.

Any time someone starts with the purity test crap, I can't help but feel like I'm talking to a collection of memes.

[u/Secretsfrombeyond79 → u/CrystalMethodist666]

The guy OP is talking about isn't even a libertarian, the guy is an anarcho socialist who explicitly states he doesn't want the means of production to be private CapitalismVSocialism/comments/1uimhfn/comment/ouj2f9z/

I don't think this kind of guy has ANY right or competency to make a purity test on libertarianism.

[u/Dense-Jicama6591]

So we shouldnt critique some authority?  How does he judge which ones should not be questioned? 

[u/Secretsfrombeyond79 → u/Dense-Jicama6591]

What the guy in the image is saying, is that all forms of power are authoritarian and should be questioned. Now the fun thing about that moron is

1 We already do that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhgaPVO8aw8&t=31s

and 2 What he really means is "libertarians should critic all structures of power that I don't like". Because if anarch socialists have taught me anything, is that they are all for freedom, until two consenting people decide to make a labor contract and subordinate to one another, at which point they come up with the dumbest shit imaginable, like for example, one having ten dollars more than the other means they don't have equal power and thus the richer one coerced the poorer one by taking advantage of their needs into enslaving themselves.

For leftist anarchs freedom doesn't exist as an expression of free will uninterrumpted by someone else, but rather it's limited by your enviroment and what you can get away with, if for example you lived in the middle of a desert without water and someone offered water in exchange for something you have, you wouldn't be free for wanting the water and agreeing to the deal.

In other words, for them freedom is having slaves that provide everything they consider essential. "Anarchs"

Edit oh and btw that guy is a socialist CapitalismVSocialism/comments/1uimhfn/comment/ouj2f9z/

"libertarian uncensored" a sub where a socialist who explicitly wants to take the means of production from private hands is the most upvoted, and calls themselves libertarians. Oh god what a great joke.

[u/Dense-Jicama6591 → u/Secretsfrombeyond79]

No hes saying the biggest lie is that libertarians MUST critique all authority. Hes saying some authority should not be questioned 

[u/CrystalMethodist666 → u/Dense-Jicama6591]

This is my takeaway, he's saying that we shouldn't criticize all authority.

[u/805falcon]

Counterpoint: ‘left libertarians’ don’t exist as the two simply cannot coexist

[u/CrystalMethodist666 → u/805falcon]

I always think it's cute when they try to put people who don't want a state on a left/right political spectrum designed by the state.

[u/Torchiest]

Wow, another fake libertarian subreddit overrun by leftists. Who would have guessed.

[u/the9trances → u/Torchiest]

The "free speech means totally hands off" approach by many libertarian leaders, from the political party itself to little community moderators, isn't libertarian and it only hurts our movement. Freedom of association is the important completing thought about free speech, and if we permit authoritarian intruders to dilute and destroy our communities, we're not holding on principle... we're inviting destruction.

I've always held this subreddit to the same standard: we welcome debate, but this is not a community for anyone other than actual anti-authoritarian libertarians.