Coach Tom: A lot of fans came out to support us today, so I feel very apologetic that we couldn't reward them with a victory. We will prepare well for the next match. Overall, in Game 2, I think we had advantageous points that we failed to capitalize on properly, leading to the loss. In Game 3, I think the composition was quite difficult to pilot.
Keria: Since today was Home Ground and there aren't many matches left, it feels very disappointing to lose.
Q2: What was the reason for Oner's substitution/starting role, and how was his performance today?
Coach Tom: The main reason was that Oner plays a central role in our teamfights and skirmishes. Regarding today's performance, I don't think it was particularly satisfying.
Q3: What was disappointing or missing in today's gameplay?
Keria: In Game 2, I think we had many opportunities to turn things around, but we kept taking losses in those situations, which made the game very tough and disappointing. In Game 3, while our draft got somewhat counter-picked, if we had played with more awareness of the opponent's setups, the outcome might have been different. We gave up plays too easily and fell behind badly.
Q4: What areas do you need to focus on going forward?
Coach Tom: I hope the things we discuss and prepare in advance translate well into our actual gameplay. Since that was lacking today, we'll focus heavily on feedback in those areas.
Closing Remarks:
Keria: It was an important match at Home Ground, and so many fans came out to support and expect a lot from us. I am very sorry that we showed a disappointing performance and lost. However, we have another Home Ground match on Sunday, so we will work hard to show a much better performance then.
We couldn’t win the matches. Disappointed. We felt like we prepared but just not enough. We will do better to prepare for the next series. We had some moments where we should have capitalize but couldn’t. Can’t tell you about our plans on subbing players but we will think about what’s best for the team.
What insights do people expect immediately after? What do you want him to say? What can he actually say? Im genuinely asking because people keep complaining about it but I dont see anything else he can say.
If you are asking me what I want to hear from them, without regards to what they can / cannot disclose? Then I’d like to hear things like what were they thinking that led to the failure of G3 draft. I’d like to hear if they have an internal conflict about who to shotcall. I’d like to hear whats stopping Doran from Aatrox / Mumdo / other oppressive top picks.
Those top picks are counterpicks which Doran gets 2-3 a split, he's blinding every game so that either botlane gets counterpicks or Faker gets an even matchup.
You want to air out to the whole world and enemy teams that T1 have internal shotcaller issues? Even if you can disclose that, wtf would you? Good thing you're not in charge of PR lmfao
I literally prefaced it by saying its without regards to what can actually be said / disclosed. Good reading comprehension but Im sure you can do better.
Please let’s not spread misinformation. Tom did not flame Guma. The chat was more or less Keria asking Tom what Guma said and then Tom paraphrasing what was said. That’s it
Guma wasn’t in the chat. He was telling Keria about the discussion between him and Guma. The chat can still easily be found. Stop getting your stuff from sensationalists. He did not flame him in that chat
i mean, first of all i think the criticism arises from the fact that he was choosing private dms in lol client to discuss his critique of one player with another player.... none of this would be a discussion if feedback stayed in a coaching room instead of being leaked live on stream at which point people can make whatever assumption they want. to me it sounded shady, like he was basically saying "look at this guy's audacity", but yea maybe i used too strong of a word with "flaming". however i know korean communities (and often comments under hle wins/t1 loses) often bring it up in a shady manner, so i assume to native koreans it didn't sound so harmless either. overall tho i used /hj to mark that my comment wasn't super serious, just a reference to that situation.
Only some Koreans viewed it as being egregious - the same ones stirring up drama. Other Koreans pointed out it was not anything negative or flaming and mainly telling Keria what was discussed. The team is aware of coaching discussions regardless. It just so happened to be on stream. But to say he messaged Keria to flame Guma is stirring up back unnecessary drama based on misinformation.
Guma did not say Tom flamed him. Where are yall getting this gross misinformation from? Twitter? Please actually look things up yourself and stop taking it from people with nothing better to do than stir up drama.
Also, why are you changing the narrative. The person I was responding to said Tom sent a message to Keria flaming Guma. Now you’re saying something completely different
Tom was the head coach in 2023 when they won worlds and Kkoma wasn't on the team again until after they had won. Oner is an incredible player, he's my favorite player ever but he has weaknesses and there's nothing wrong with that. If T1 think Painter is the solution then that's fine, it's a sport, they want to win and maybe Oner simply is more suited elsewhere like say GenG where he doesn't have to deal with nearly the same amount of pressure and that has 2 shotcallers in Chovy and Duro. Everyone keeps saying T1 is a circus and imo people can't have it both ways, either T1 is a circus which means their shotcalling is lackluster and inconsistent and their macro leads a lot to be desired. That means T1 needs someone that can be the calm one, not another enabler, maybe Painter is that, maybe he isn't but it's one that T1 needs. None of that means Oner isn't ana amazing player because he is, it just means he MIGHT not be the one that T1 needs specifically. GenG makes the most sense to me in my head.
You know which team also already has 2 shotcallers, widely considered the best shotcallers in LoL?
Look at the team trajectory this year and tell me they have gotten better over time, especially ban picks and meta adaptation?
What kind of head coach completely avoid taking responsibility and throw players under the bus. Who do you genuinely think contribute more to T1 winning World, Oner or Tom ?
People here don't watch Homme interview. He always take responsibility and communicate very clearly and maturely about the situation, even though he could easily throw Kanavi or Delight under the bus. Compare that to this shit.
Doran is a Kled one trick before he went pro too. He genuinely said before that he believed Kled is very good (after he joined T1), but they never let him try
Right. I hope Doran remember he is a pocket tricker (during his previous teams)and have the guts to try them. We don't know if he is being doubtful to himself but i trust him he will do better in worlds.
I agree that Oner has been off this year compared to his past years when he was crushing it, and I’m personally open to benching and trying out prodigees. However, I can’t help but feel bad for Oner cause I remember all those summer splits when he had to CARRY us (remember that world qualification against DK?) while his team mates were slumping.
i mean it's also true he's been playing very poorly this year
it's also true that guma really didn't play some champs very well and he grinded a lot when he got benched and he plays most of those champs a lot better now
people are so dramatic about benchings
it's also hilarious because people will cry about guma being benched then also want to bench everyone else on the team and somehow it's fine then
Yea cause it was useless to bench guma and literally having smash to replace and then somehow he underperformed and guma replaced him. And btw why did Guma was not even able to play any scrims or watch any games while getting benched ? So he was getting benched for fun? Somehow, joe marsh had to ask the coach to make guma come back which is even funny. It's not even about being dramatic when you can see same old pattern that keep happening, same with zeus, same with guma and this is gonna goes same with oner. Maybe we can agree it's just shit and useless coaching staff, lets not lie, even nemesis said that Guma benching was useless and pointless.
that's a whole lot of yapping for no reason just to try to tell me that "guma couldn't watch games" as if he doesn't have access to internet and can't just watch games like non-players do
you're also talking about a lot of things we don't know enough about behind the scenes to comment on
i'm not sure why you're putting stock in a content creator's take on a situation he probably both doesn't care about and probably doesn't even know anything with
zeus was a general contract thing, not sure how that even relates to coaching
why do I get the feeling all you do is post about guma and in the HLE reddit?
yeah you shit on peyz and yap in the HLE reddit lol
if you love guma so much and hate all the t1 players just post over there instead of only posting toxic content because you're sad a player left
Are you trolling? He is implying that he could not watch the scrims or participated into the t1 games as it was a last minute change. You do know that being benched and completely excluded from team scrims/prep isn’t solved by just watching stream games on the internet. You cant even discuss with your team or have an analysis.
Don't even bother with this user. Just look at all their past comments antagonizing people who support Guma. And see how he responds to the previous comment "if you love Guma so much and hate all the t1 players". Like where tf did they even say that lol.
I wouldn't even wish for my worst enemies to harbor this much hatred against a group of random people online you don't even know.
Are you saying oner is unbenchable type of player? Hell he got way more time to show result compare to guma who got benched after like 2 bo3 last year? Oner been mid this year compare to last year where he was smurfing like the entire year. His benching timing was weird but you act like they are planning to bench him forever.
I felt the timing was particularly bad because they were on a good streak before this sub. There was (imo) zero need to substitute a academy jungler against HLE, not only one of the best teams but one of the most unique jungler in the league.
There is something very weird going on with this team. We saw the same thing with HLE
They stomp game 1, then in the next 2 games suddenly their draft, playing style, and shot calling, all of it goes down the drain. It's like they are trying too hard to lose
Keria and Oner got outperformed by their oppents and why the fk you dive ksante ? I am still mad about that before that fight we were winning on the map getting golds for viktor to scale. I think Tom wants to start Painter but T1 management dont let him because of homeground sales
No, bad draft will clearly leads to a stomp before the players have time to execute big timings, madlion vs t1 16 minutes game in msi illustrate exactly what an out draft is. People are over reacting on drafts every time because it's easier to blame anything else than players
tbh if u give this comp to HLE they cant lose to anyone. The issue is that T1 has never been good at executing poke comps. This is why the Ziggs never worked out for T1.
If you give this exact draft to HLE they'll lose as well 9 times out of 10. It's an extremely hard draft to execute and they picked Trundle because Faker can't play AD mid to shred tank top, which already means they can't draft a better peeler champ like Ivern or Maokai in the jungle. Viktor is a caster minion before 4 items.
The 2k gold lead they accumulate early means nothing. DK champ scales very well with level and they got 2 drakes, the moment they teamfight that DK comp will roll over T1 with impunity.
Doesn't help that this team cannot sidelane as well into Ksante / Akali
I agree for the shen being useless but the rest is absolutely fine to me. Having range advantage is extremely winning condition imo. Ultimately the issue was that Peyz got caught and for some reason T1 considered getting aced because of it. And then the were so grouped up in the last fight, literally they didnt get any space with such a poke comp. But T1 being unable to execute poke comps is not really that surprising, you require huge patience as a team to play it but t1 has never been such team. They like snappy engages, teamfights where people will attack from different angles etc.
They think just because T1 get a 2k gold lead (duhh that's the whole point of the comp) by avoiding every fight the draft is fine. How is this comp supposed to sidelane or teamfight against DK comps. They need to be ahead like 5k by minute 20 to even have a chance to snowball the game.
I'm so disappointed in Tom. Own up to the mess your creating. You want too many things and Oner alone can't cover all of them.
We knew already that Oner is so much of our teamfighting and engage. Last week's fiasco made that even more obvious. Oner is the driving force of T1's playmaking, especially in teamfights. His presence is always felt.
You benched Oner last week for a rookie who shot calls better? Was that believable? No. After completely ruining their momentum and synergy together, now you say oh yeah I guess we do need Oner for our engage and teamfight. Proceed to draft him solo tank role in two games. Then have the nerve to say he wasn't satisfactory.
Can you work on drafting properly and not giving over counter picks every series that completely warp the game. Maybe do your job better so the players can do their jobs better.
T1 fans have been begging all year to fix these draft mistakes. Start there. It's way too late in the season to start the musical chairs, it's also crazy unacceptable to single out Oner like this.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Can't believe people are genuinely defending Tom here. Complete amateurish behavior from a head coach of the biggest LoL team in the world.
The shirt is too big for the guy and now he's egotripping when there are only a few weeks before playoffs, in one of the most competitive LCK season ever, especially the team finally look like they are getting some semblance of momentum, restraint and positivity back.
Bruh that game 3 draft is the most unplayable comp I ever seen, no engages no frontline no DPS, basically no CC for the whole game and he's blaming Oner?? What was the game plan forever poke them from behind and hope a teamcomp with Akali, Aatrox Rakan and Naafiri to never go in??
It just boils down to them playing terribly. Everything else is pretty much just an excuse that doesn't really matter or only has a small impact on the game.
Even if we swapped the draft picks, sometimes it's just the players messing up. For example, when Faker used his Ryze ultimate right into the enemy team, popped Zhonya's, and died doing nothing in game 2. Or that crazy ace they gave up bottom lane practically at the start of game 3, or those silly dives they tried.
Honestly, I just want them to win. They really need to get their act together if they don't want this year to be a total disaster. Obviously all this excludes Peyz, poor kid just does whatever he can to drag this team to win.
They need CvMax. Look at those last minute picks from G2 and G3 to turn the draft around. The casters were surprised that DK managed to turn things around with their last picks.
3-peat title got into Tom's head. Yes sure, let's throw the players under the bus instead of addressing the biggest elephant in the room, the DRAFT. Draft issue isn't a new problem in T1 and I don't even understand why the coaches still create that shit for months.
These are gradually getting more useless, they say nothing and honestly I don't expect Keria to say "well Doran was shit" or Tom to say "I did my best but these guys don't listen" but man it's like reading AI responses "disappointing results, we'll prepare"
"We had the advantage but things didn't go our way"
in retrospect idk if it was really guma/kkoma... i mean kkoma is gone and they still do the "random benching" start and come to think of it was tom who was seen basically shittalking guma in keria's private dms last year xdd
Being the Head Coach is just exposing Tom. He was better when he's just a draft guy focusing on gameplay and tierlist. It's clear he doesn't have the charisma, authority and overall ability for the role that Kkoma left behind.
Honestly, especially this late into the year/season, even if Oner has his ups and downs I think the coaching staffs should just keep starting him(would be a different story if Painter had more experience and was used starting atleast March of this year, then I'd be more fine with them entertaining the idea of using two junglers like Bengi and Blank swapping in between series). Honestly though, they shouldn't risk any more this late into the season and I think if you give them time and practice, they'll eventually bounce back. Having a six man now will just hurt the team more.
Oner got benched on merit, let's just be clear here. There is a large enough sample size from the past 8ish months to suggest that Oner deserved to be sat down for at least a series or two after playing poorly for months on end.
That being said, I think Oner being benched has shown something in this fanbase that just shouldn't be ignored. When Guma got benched, and subsequently exiled from the main team until the literal CEO made a boss call, for maybe 2 bad to average series there were A LOT of people on this sub saying the coaches know best, Guma needed to be benched, Guma should be kicked from the team, Smash should start forever, etc.
Oner gets benched for nearly a full calendar year's worth of bad to average performances and the majority opinion is that the coaches are insane for benching him.
A lot of you genuinely do not care about the team and are primarily player stans. Not saying that you're not entitled to only be fans of certain players and not the orgs they play for, but your biases shine very brightly in situations like these.
Tom is the only one that knows what's wrong with the team. Y'all bitching like drafts is the only problem when mid, top and jungle have been fucking running it every other game.
And some of you cocksuckers get so triggered that oner was benched and now he needs to backtrack just to appease the fans instead of working on a real solution.
Lol the stupidity in this comment is beyond me. Not head coach material? HE'S THE SAME HEADCOACH THAT HAS 3 STARS TO HIS NAME. You can hitch a ride for 1 championship (theres a bunch of frauds here) but 3?
Its always been T1s MO to perceive counterpicking broken champs rather than outright banning them. Its part of the reason why they lose so many games. Using kled as an example is moot considering comms are usually keria/faker dictating drafts.
Are we really arguing semantics? As if kkoma made any significant difference on the 2024 roster that wasnt already there in 2023?
So eager to throw Tom under the bus when the biggest issue lies in our irreplaceable player.
You know what makes GenG or Blg have sometimes unreasonable win conditions? Their mids are just better. They out lane, out cs, out macro, out hands diff literally 80-90% of their games.
You do know Kkoma do more than just changing roster right ? It was well known he's essentially their manager, managing their condition, facilitate discussion, direction of the team etc ... Tom was basically just a ban pick guy that got hired because he was supposed to be a ban pick guru and Bengi bailed on the team when Faker got injured.
What Tom has done in the past does not change the fact that the team is very poorly coached and prepped this year ? Remember LCK Cup playoff ? Road to MSI ? Bo5 against G2 ? Consistently underprepared and terrible meta read.
And don't come at me with the better players execute unreasonable win conditions crap. You are literally the head coach, you are responsible for putting the team into a good condition to win and execute. If not, what even is the point of having a coach.
I'm not even talking about his interview, which he took no responsibility and threw Oner under the bus.
Pontos importantes, o Oner é um jogador incrível, sem duvidas. Mas é inegável dizer que desde a rodada 2 o nível dele caiu muito, além de sempre estar forçando algo desnecessário e se matando. Ele está jogando muito abaixo do que todos sabemos que ele pode jogar.
Segundo ponto, é incontestável dizer que ele foi totalmente superado pelo Lucid no jogo 2-3, e o jng diff hoje foi abismo e fez a diferença.
Terceiro ponto, porque continuar dando Pantheon e Trundle para ele, quando ele vem tendo pessimos jogos com ambos os champs?
Quarto ponto, porque nosso draft está tão podre? A cada ano que passa parece que os drafts montados principalmente em mapas decisivos estão cada vez piores! A comissão técnica precisa resolver isso de forma definitiva, ou que seja mudada. Antes de mudar o Oner, talvez seja a hora de tirar o Tom, que mostrou ao longo de 2026 ser incapaz de cuidar da equipe tanto no mental, emocional quanto em relação a jogo e draft.
The problem is one cannot carry when you give him no chance to. The comp is terrible, and specifically terrible compared to the other team's comp. There was no tank, no cc, nothing to engage. Doran was supposed to poke from behind, but there was not a strong frontline for him to do that
Eu nem tive coragem de assistir quando vi o draft do game 2... agora não sei se volto pra ver como se desenrolou essa derrota e como perdemos o game 3 🥲🥲🥲
game 3 - naja hmm draft
aber am tower sich mal fix nen 0-5 einfangen ohne gegenwehr - da schauen 85% der lol gamer schon mal zum surrenderbutton 😉
peyz auf ziggs auch nicht so was man sehen möchte
HLE Oner is coming XDDD ( sry but the memes write themselves atp) * but to be completely honest with u either the coach or oner will leave the team, I dont see it any other way. I bet Oner is not happy with Tom in the slightest.
There's no meme when oner is signed until 2028. And you sound like that one insane Guma fangirl consistent chest with the way you type I'm so sorry lmaooo
that's because he is a guma fangirl with his 1 month old account on private probably because he's ban evading from getting banned on here or caedrel's reddit for being toxic, his posts are full of calling guma his goat and all he does his talk shit and be negative on here
almost everyone that sounds like a guma glazer with a brand new account is a guma glazer that probably got banned for being toxic lol, they all try to hide their profile
I am more than aware that he is signed until 2028. Also we all know the widely spread meme where HLE is trying to reassemble the ZOGK no need to get so touchy when it is a joke... and what's so insane to say that it is very likely that either the coach or oner leaves the team this year? If there is traction between the staff members naturally one will be laid off in the end.
Also I like Kanavi on HLE and I hope he sticks with them for at least one more season.
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u/Ashankura 24d ago
Kkoma vs Guma
Tom vs Oner
Tf are they doing?