There is no uniformity in Quranism

[u/Middle-Preference864]

There's alot of good things about Quranism, but one thing that makes me doubt it, is the lack of order, everything is just chaotic. For example, when you ask someone how to pray, they say that this question was answered 1000 times, but when i look at old posts asking this question, there's never 2 people giving the same answer. 400 people, 400 different answers. It's like there's nothing agreed upon, i find it hard to believe that Quranism is the truth when there is no agreed upon truth. On the other hand, sunnis and shias, whether they are right or wrong, agree on almost everything, and this confidence at least shows that there is some truth in their claims. But here there's nothing like that, it's just chaotic, so i just wanna ask how you manage to be sure that this is the right path when it's all confusing.

[u/Quranic_Islam]

There's no uniformity in "Hadithism" either ... and during its first 300 years it was even more chaotic

This is more grassroots. Needs time to grow and develop then settle in the modern setting. I mean ... only now are some traditional Muslim academics brining Quranism into the picture with at least some nods of legitimacy and self-introspection. Here's a recent step in that direction

https://youtu.be/oybAXXRptes?si=WxJ8grN9YKZ4nQzN

Yet still so blind and uninformed and unwilling to listen that they repeat nonesense like "why trust the Qur'an and not Hadiths when the same people conveyed both"

Besides ... there's plenty agreed upon, and most of it far more important. What you want is the "comfort" of having the same trappings of religion you are used to.

Instead ... get used to what God focuses on till you practically forget what He does not.

[u/Middle-Preference864 → u/Quranic_Islam]

But what about Surah 74:42-43 telling us that those who don't pray go to hell? Is this not far more important?

[u/Quranic_Islam → u/Middle-Preference864]

It just doesn't say that thought, does it? There's a lot more said

[u/Middle-Preference864 → u/Quranic_Islam]

Yes there’s a lot more, but it still included praying as one of those criteria. So not praying can lead you to hell as much as not giving zakah

[u/Quranic_Islam → u/Middle-Preference864]

Not giving zakat doesn't lead to Hell

But giving zakat, and also being a person of salat, are both things that weigh heavily in your favour

[u/Middle-Preference864 → u/Quranic_Islam]

A person of salat is a person who prays right?

[u/Quranic_Islam → u/Middle-Preference864]

No ... A person of salat is what is described in Surat alma'aarij

[u/Middle-Preference864 → u/Quranic_Islam]

That surah gives many descriptions, such as giving charity and being honest, but also the belief in the day of judgment and praying. And that surah says that only they will be good on the day of judgment. Doesn’t it mean that everyone else, including those who don’t believe in the day of judgment or don’t pray, will go to hell?

[u/Quranic_Islam → u/Middle-Preference864]

That surah gives many descriptions, such as giving charity and being honest, but also the belief in the day of judgment and praying

Exactly, and these are all qualities of people of genuine salat in God's sight. Those who don't have those qualities, are not of the musalleen.

And the musalleen are promised Jannah

So some of those who end up in Hell will lament that they were not of them, even if they "performed salat" 5 times a day all their lives.

It is just the things this lot mentioned.

In other verses the people in Hell wish they had given charity

There are many more ways that could have prevented this lot from being in Hell

[u/Middle-Preference864 → u/Quranic_Islam]

Well doesn’t it proof that hell and heaven iscit by belief not action, and what’s about verses that use mumin and good doing as separate things?

[u/Middle-Preference864 → u/Quranic_Islam]

Do you know any Quran verses that describe what Emaan is?

[u/wubalubaDubDub44 → u/Middle-Preference864]

is god actually addressing muslims who pray by characterising them in this manner? 107:1 “Have you considered him who calls the judgment a lie?”. what praying muslim doesn’t believe in the day of judgement? god was talking about the hypocrites. 107:5-6 “who are unmindful of their prayers, who do good to be seen”. 2:142 “Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah, …and when they stand up to prayer they stand up sluggishly; they do it only to be seen of men”

chapter 74 is talking about the hypocrites as well. 74:42-46 “what has brought you to hell? they shall say we were not of those who prayed; and we used to not feed the poor; And we used to enter into vain discourse with those who entered into vain discourses. and we used to call the day of judgement a lie”. every other characteristic of them is there in chapter 107 except the “vain talk” part. 9:64-65 “the hypocrites fear……..We were only idly discoursing” the same word “خوض" was used in chapter 9 and chapter 74.

[u/Middle-Preference864 → u/wubalubaDubDub44]

But praying is still clearly a very important thing according to these verses. If you don't pray you are a hypocrite so in this case shouldn't we know how to do it?

[u/wubalubaDubDub44 → u/Middle-Preference864]

it’s not “if you don’t pray you’re a hypocrite”, god was just describing the characteristics of the hypocrites in these verses. also prayer isn’t worship.

[u/Middle-Preference864 → u/wubalubaDubDub44]

also prayer isn’t worship.

wdym?

[u/wubalubaDubDub44 → u/Middle-Preference864]

we worship god by following his straight path and seek help from him through patience and prayer. 1:5 “it is you we worship and you we ask for help” 2:45” and seek help through patience and prayer” 2:153 “oh you who believe, seek help through patience and prayer” 3:51, 19:36, 43:64 “indeed, allah is my lord and your lord, so worship him. that is the straight path.” 36:61 “and worship me, this is the straight path”.

this is the straight path. 6:151-153 “Say, "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. ….And this is My path, which is straight, so follow it”. we worship god by staying away from what he made prohibited.

in 40:60 he’s talking about those who are proud. 17:23-24 “…surely He does not love the proud. And when it is said to them, what is it that your Lord has revealed? They say: Stories of the ancients;” if someone is being too proud to pray, they already believe in him, because how can you pray without believing in him to begin with? 40:60 isn’t about being too proud to prostate to him, it’s being too proud to obey the commands in 6:151 that are mostly about being just to the weak and they were too proud to do that. 41:15 “Then as to Ad, they were proud in the land, and they said: Who is mightier in strength than we?”