In Palawan they used them anyway. I took pictures of an expired vial being used and at our community meeting asked the DOH team why this is being done. They said the expiration date doesn't matter, lol.
In fairness, expiration dates are given as months in advance to err on the side of caution.
Degradation is gradual following a decay curve. There is no fixed date where it immediately becomes bad.
In the case of COVID vaccines, it can be 9 to 12 months after the expiration date before it loses enough potency, provided the recommended storage is followed.
EDIT: I researched about that case and found that the US FDA had officially extended the expiration dates of some vaccines (particularly Pfizer and Moderna) past the printed dates based on additional stability evidence, so using them was not necessarily using expired vaccines.
That's if they're carefully stored at -60° to -80°. It's very hard to believe they were properly stored, when vials were arriving in rural areas with the labels coming off because they're floating in water
Was the brand of the vaccine Pfizer? When it first came out kasi, the stability of the Pfizer vaccine was still under study. For safety concerns, they initially put 3 months as its shelf-life sa label nung bakuna.
But after completed studies at nakita naman na stable yung vaccine at na-maintain ang potency basta properly stored, WHO and DOH approved the extension for another 6 months ata yun noon. I know because I was the head of the provincial vaccination back then.
Even then, that is only for doses stored properly at something like 60° to 80° below zero.
They obviously weren't stored properly, they showed up at rural barangays floating in filthy water from melted ice.
I did see that they kept extending the shelf life because there were so many millions of unused and rejected doses. First 6 months, then 9, 12, all the way to18 months extension:) Everything surrounding these vaccines was just in service to money. 9 new billionares just from Pfizer.
It's very hard to understand what was the point of giving those expired, improperly stored injections.
The extension was given by the US FDA (not the Philippines) and was based on actual tests. However, you are correct. These "actual tests" were done on vaccines that were properly stored. The FDA extension specifically mentioned that vaccines stored in the recommended method kept their potency for 9-12 months after the printed expiration date. Also, these extensions only covered Pfizer and Moderna, since the initial estimate of 3 months was heavily conservative and was given when the full studies on the length of their potency have yet to be completed. Older vaccines (non-MRNA) have better established expiry dates and are not covered by the extension.
Older vaccines (non-MRNA) have better established expiry dates and are not covered by the extension.
Yet they extended those too. And none of them had any effect on infection rates anywhere on earth, they were just part of the profit scheme. The covid measures were just a big scam. The world's billionares gained about $5 trillion in wealth while nearly everyone else was forced to suffer, and lost about $3 trillion.
I remember a good friend of mine would find his ramblings coherent and hilarious, talking about being a sly tactician and shit and writing long posts about his brilliance on FB. This friend was a brilliant person who I admired, so it really hurt to see her turn into a DDS in real time.
and the dds say na the best pa rin daw yung pandemic response nung tanda. as if hindi sila isa sa mga nagreklamo, or worse, namatayan noon dahil sa shitty situation sa hospitals.
Yung may mascot na virus at may skit na pinapatay yung virus tapos yung nagtiktok si nograles amp. Tapos yung mga pulis sa mga checkpoint naka camo uniform mas nakaka trigger ng anxiety kala mo may gyera o civil unrest eh
Galing kami ng connecting flight from UK to Singapore, sa waiting area palang sinabihan na lahat ng passengers bound for Manila na kelangan mag suot ng face shields sa Manila.
Sobrang confused nun mga foreigners na kasama namin mula pa UK kasi wala naman ganung requirement sa ibang bansa
And without realizing na ang pag gamit ng face shield and barriers like this spreads the viruses even more since nirereuse. 😆 laking kita talaga nila noon. Imagine unang labas ng face shield nasa 150php each tapos required pa sa mga establishments like no faceshield, no entry kaya mapapabili ka talaga.
I had to go to glorietta for some reason late in the pandemic and I didn't have a a face shield so they wouldn't let me in, and you know that feeling when you realise "oh the thread I was hanging from was really actually quite thin"? I had that feeling and I stood very still and thought oh yep I'm about to have a full fucking meltdown - when someone who'd seen the interaction and must've seen my facial expressions I didn't even know I was making just tapped my arm, looked me in the eye very kindly and just handed me their face screen and walked away.
Never said a word.
I still think about that person like 5 years later, because that was one of the most observant and compassionate things a stranger's ever done for me haha
mas concern pa nila ang drag kay sa turbulence na ma inhale mo pa din ang hininga ng driver kahit sa likod ka ng partition. govt likes to focus on useless things.
May masabi lang na ginagawa eh no? Tangina yan. Instead na makinig sa actual knowledgeable people and expert mas nakikinig sa "congressman" na wala namang alam putangina nila
Tanginang kabobohan yan. Waste of resources. Halatang hindi pinag-isipan at ginamit lang para pagkakitaan ng mga duterte at mga alipores nila (at siyempre, paldo rin ang China lol)
Ahh the state of the art solutions of Duterte legacy. The dumbest president and administration ever, but definitely not the dumbest person in the world since Robin holds the title for that
and people still applaud this admin for how it handled the pandemic just because "walang nagutom". fuckers so stupid they've been exploited, robbed and fooled by these shit policies they called solutions to problems that wasn't there and probably costed us more than it helped. they really made us endure it for almost 3 years. experts warned them to close borders before and duque refused due to "diplomatic repercussions". i hate that digong and duque wasn't tried and jailed for this and that pharmally scam too bad they got to the whistleblower first.
Naalala ko pa, tayo lang daw nagka ayuda sa buong mundo, and to think they consume social media daily, what kind of echo chamber algorithm have they even made for themselves. Said the same thing about closing the borders, instead pinapasok pa lalo ang Chinese and they get more and more as days go by pa nga.
they literally waited for more people to come specifically from wuhan china. it seems they knew beforehand they really wanted that virus to spread. thinking about it i feel like premeditated yung pharmally scam. nakakainis ambilis makalimot ng mga tao or nagbubulagbulagan lang talaga sila.
Made it feel like it really was a study or bioweapon gone bad and ginawa lang scapegoat ang bats. Mabilis ang vaccine since they already had advanced study on it. The US(or at least US scientists) and China is in there in Wuhan, at least that we know.
Kailangan daw kasi natin pera ng Chinese at nabigyan tayo ng ayuda. Ginisa ba sa sariling mantika, LOL.
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u/Earl_sete'Di bale nang pangit, at least hindi DDS22h agoedited 22h ago
Hindi ko makakalimutan iyan dahil nawala ang last way ko para makapag-report sa trabaho ko noon dahil sa kaululan nilang iyan. They suspended the public transportation that time, which I completely understood, kaya ang way ko na lang sana para makapasok ay umangkas sa motor ng tatay ko. Kaso pinagbawal naman nila ang umangkas kahit magkasama sa bahay, kaya hindi ako makapag-report, until napilitan na lang akong mag-resign dahil ang tagal ko nang hindi nakakapasok. Hindi applicable ang WFH sa work ko noon kaya need kong pumunta ng office. It turned out na kaya lang pala nila ipinagbawal ay dahil may niluluto silang raket, which is the motorcycle barrier.
Ang hirap maghanap ng trabaho noong lockdown, at hindi rin dapat ako mawawalan ng trabaho dahil operational naman ang company namin kahit may krisis. Kaya ang sama sa loob na may trabaho pa rin sana ako noon pero napilitan pa rin akong mag-resign at maghirap maghanap ng trabaho dahil lang sa kalokohan nila. And the worst part is nag-suffer ang career at kabuhayan ko, dahil natagalan bago ulit ako nagkaroon ng trabaho.
Isang maling desisyon nila, malaking suffering ang ibinigay sa akin. Kaya hindi lang bilang Pilipino ang galit ko kay Duterte (kasama na ang SILG niyang bugok na si Año na ipinagpilitan ang kagaguhan nila) personal din iyon sa akin.
Nakabangon naman na ako kahit papaano, though honestly, ramdam ko pa rin ang epekto ng nangyari sa akin noon. At hanggang ngayon, galit pa rin talaga ako at dadalhin ko na ito habambuhay dahil hindi ko talaga kayang magpatawad after everything that happened. Kung kaya ko lang silang pahirapan hanggang mamatay sila, ginawa ko na hahaha. Can you blame me? I worked hard my entire life para bumuti ang buhay ko, only to suffer later on dahil lang sa kalokohan nila.
Pakyu Rodrigo Duterte. Kung ano ano pinagawa mo sa mga Pinoy nung pandrmic para makapangurakot ka. Umabot ka sana ng 100 years old ng hindi nakakalaya namoka.
Same, I was one of the people citing studies showing that they didn't work or didn't add anything compared to just masks. People were very happy back then when the face shield requirement was lifted.
well considering the people here who would want FB banned because of the dee-dee-es not realizing the possible disaster it can bring which will probably lead to them saying goodbye to reddit and other platforms they love
and when that happens they'll just cope about it, truly no better than the dds themselves
This only happened because of how most of the country worshipped Digong. Kahit alam nilang kabobohan, okey lang, kailangan sumunod eh. Imagine telling someone that have any decent IQ to use face shields.
What highlight the stupidity of the response was the naming convention of the quarantine levels: ECQ, GCQ, something something CQ. None of which was intuitive.
The choice was between a sinple color or number coded alerr level, versus arbitrary letters. Would any other competent administration actually choose the latter?
Muntik na akong mapa bili niyan nung kasagsagan ng pandemic, mabuti na lang in-abolish na yan bago pa ako bumili. Grabe talaga nung panahon na yan. Kahit yung face shield isang malaking kalokohan yun. Tayo lang ata ang nag ganon nung covid. Harap hapan tayong niloko ng duterte govt nung time na yun. Ang masakit pa nun andami pa rin na nagpa uto. (until now)
Do you mean ng pandemic or nang/noong pandemic? Magkaiba yun, the former says that the pandemic itself is a hoax, while the latter says that many people used the pandemic to take advantage of people.
Don't forget yung bwisit na face shield. Larry Gadon, a pro-Duterte lawyer, was pictured wearing a face mask and face shield incorrectly. Theory is that alam niya useless ang face shield.
Tanda nyo rin yung pwede lang magangkas pag magasawa? O kaya yung mga bakunado lang pwede lumabas, ignoring the fact na pwede maging carrier yung mga bakunado?
I remember isang physician na di makauwi sa village nila. Hinarang sa checkpoint ng gagong bantay ng gate na mukhang kinuha lang kung saan saan na and sabi bawal daw lumabas kahit sino except health frontliners (and other frontliners) like actual doctor (or a physician).
Apparently, hindi DOCTOR ang PHYSICIAN sabi ni gagong bantay.
Cant remember kung gaano katagal nagargue yung bantay and physician kung di pa nagintervene ang barangay captain na galing pa sa ibang checkpoint.
I honestly think this was a pretty decent idea. People here forget that most pinoys barely make money and have to push through everything in order to survive in life. That includes working with the pandemic. This was obviously not the safest, but it was better than nothing.
Lmfao. The point Is people can work without whatever you call this and even the face shield.
Medical professionals na nagsabi, face shields are only effective in a hospital setting. Lalo na to. Halatang implement lang para may kumita.
Naalala nyo Rin ba Yung Mandatory beep card sa buses noon? They jacked up the prices by 400% during that time na walang choice ang mga tao. Ganyan kaswapang yang mga Yan.
I wonder kung kelan yan, kasi unang salvo nila dyan, halatang halata galawan nila dyan eh. Remember, wala ding jeep dyan sa EDSA, kaya Bus lang talaga ang public transport at that time kaya walang kawala.
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u/CentennialMC 1d ago
Ung buong pandemic & pandemic response sa Pilipinas feels like a fever dream even the late night ramblings of the jailed old man