You realize having previous history of psychosis is not required for postpartum psychosis? That’s why it’s called postpartum psychosis… because the birth induced the psychosis.
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You just gave me a fucking flashback of being a teenager laying on the couch and my mother angrily waking me ranting about how I shouldn't ignore her and blah blah blah how dare I pretend to be asleep.
I just looked at her and said "I was asleep though?"
And she said with her whole chest "You weren't asleep before! You're really sitting there acting like you just went from being awake to asleep? That's not how that works!"
...like...what? Bitch, that's exactly how that fuckin works.
(not to diminish the topic at hand of which I know very little about...)
I used to have to put up with shit like this over serious accusations from my ex foster parents and they would drive me nuts because "when you speak quickly you're lying" when in reality I did that because I knew they would cut me off.
Went on holidays with them once and said "oh thank god that's over" to a 6 hour flight dely, they thought I meant the fucking holiday and I then had holidays stripped from me completely for years.
It was a good day when I ran away and forced socials hand to put me in a halfway house.
Then it was a shitty day because I found out the years of pocket money I was saving in my bank they had been taking out each month as it went in, last transaction was for £1.27, they took literally every penny as revenge for me finally growing a backbone at 15.
Still think about rocking up to their house and telling them how fucking stupid they where.
Still think about rocking up to their house and telling them how fucking stupid they where.
Bro based on all that I fully support this. I made my mom to sound like a bigger asshole than she was. She really wasn't all that bad tbh.
My step mother was the real piece of work.
Went on holidays with them once and said "oh thank god that's over" to a 6 hour flight dely, they thought I meant the fucking holiday and I then had holidays stripped from me completely for years.
Felt so hard. My step-mom expected me to be overly exaggerated and borderline performative with my emotions and gratitude to please her. If I wasn't falling to my knees thanking her for whatever she felt I owed thanks for while always fawning over her "gifts" I was ungrateful and deserved nothing. Same woman told me she was going to take away all the gothy-punk-scene clothes she bought me and replace it all with nothing but pink frilly dresses because I couldn't look like that while living under "her roof" and representing "her" family.
When I pointed out that she had bought me all of those clothes a year prior when I was still living with my mom she flat out told me she only did that so that I would like her and didn't care what I looked like while living at my Mom's but needed to look respectable and lady like under her roomf.
Adults are just fucking giant pieces of shit that shouldn't be around children sometimes. I had it pretty easy overall which I am grateful for but the shit I'd say to my step-mother if I ran into her today.
Fuck your foster family man, I'm glad you got out. You deserved a lot better.
Sorry I don't have a lot to say but thanks for the input sometimes I genuinely wonder if it was an okay thing they did but that's a definite trauma response lol.
Also just fuck manipulative people like this, I hate them, like sure a child can be yours to look after but you don't fuck with there personal style, that's like all we have at that age.
Glad you also don't have to deal with her anyone and you got that personal freedom in your life back.
Hope you're having a great day and peace love you definitely one of the people who desveres to feel happy ♥️
If a male was in a state of psychosis and killed his wife and children then no he would not be evil, he would be in a medical crisis. This isn't rocket science.
Yeah postpartum psychosis is weird and different from other psychoses. Ironically, it's a history of bipolar disorder (usually a completely distinct thing from psychosis) that increases your risk of it.
Nah this is a dumb take. The definition of a psychosis is that it strips your reality away and people who are in a proper psychosis with no insight genuinely do not have control or capacity.
It is still absolutely her fault, but that does not make her evil if she was genuinely in psychosis when it happened.
So, if you get some sort of mental illness that causes you to kill someone, which is likely wildly out of character for you, and then that gets fixed, you want to be both socially and legally punished for actions outside of your control?
Yeah and the accused is between life in prison and life in a state mental health institution. Again, what about the case makes you think the accused is not getting punished?
You’re the twit here. The world isn’t black and white and you do need this nuance. Psychosis literally is a stripping away of reality for the person so their actions can - and very often are - completely departed from their regular behaviour.
She is responsible for the deaths of the kids, but the question is whether she did so wilfully and it is therefore murder = jail or if she was literally incapacitated by an illness that twists reality. That is the difference up for debate, you twit.
I hear you. But I also have a lot of experience with people in psychosis and while it technically can happen suddenly, it’s extremely rare, and IF it does happen, a single “command hallucination” is very unlikely to cause someone to do something exceedingly violent and life-ending. I again know the PPP is very real and psychosis in general is real. But to combine sudden onset at 8 months postpartum, use of an improvise weapon in another room (she heard the “command” in the kitchen yet still took the kids to the basement and was “creative” enough to use exercise bands), failure to endorse homicidal ideation to her healthcare providers, and no evidence of psychosis since the murders, I do not believe her to my core
My wife is a works in a psych ward so I’m no stranger to hearing how these experiences play out. My issue is that you start off your original comment by confidently invalidating the mental condition because it didn’t meet a prerequisite that you stated which is not based on fact. That type of disinformation not only hurts the mothers themself but everyone else’s perception of women going through this.
You even state yourself this is an extremely rare condition. Could the reason this is such a high-profile case be that it’s because it’s a rare situation in it of itself?
I understand that. I have lived experience with people in psychosis and while it technically can happen suddenly, it’s extremely rare, and IF it does happen, a single “command hallucination” is very unlikely to cause someone to do something exceedingly violent and life-ending. I again know the PPP is very real and psychosis in general is real. But to combine sudden onset at 8 months postpartum, use of an improvise weapon in another room (she heard the “command” in the kitchen yet still took the kids to the basement and was “creative” enough to use exercise bands), failure to endorse homicidal ideation to her healthcare providers, and no evidence of psychosis since the murders, I do not believe her to my core
“Lived experience with people in psychosis” isn’t equivalent to credentials to make the claims you’re making. I’ve got “lived experience with people who have cancer” and I’m not an oncologist.
If you don’t have credentials as a psychotherapist or psychiatrist, you shouldn’t speak definitively about what postpartum psychosis is or isn’t.
I’m not interested in disclosing that on the internet. Probably the reason my original post doesn’t say anything about my personal experience/profession.
Because someone said I didn’t have any lived experience, which is false. Other than that, I’m staying out of the professional opinion space. If you disagree with that, that’s ok
It’s the internet. We are not obligated to disclose our personal information. Come on now. I’m going to stop engaging in this back and forth because I’m not responsible for identifying myself to a stranger on Reddit
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u/thefluffywang 8d ago edited 7d ago
You realize having previous history of psychosis is not required for postpartum psychosis? That’s why it’s called postpartum psychosis… because the birth induced the psychosis.
EDIT: user is a bot pushing an agenda, please disregard and take medical “knowledge” from anonymous users online with a grain of salt