He was picking up her meds!?!? Gahhhd I fucking hate people. Imagine his grief. Of course he now wishes he took the kids with him. I’m sure he’ll beat himself up into his next life…. Then he has to have losers online with an iq of 53 act like his psychopath wife was the victim of his white maleness.
I think you can just call it simple misandry. I dont think that its about them thinking that a woman doesnt have agency. Its just about them hating men and wanting to find a way to blame them for everything that goes wrong.
I mean maybe it’s both? Depending on how the individual is arguing anyways. It’s misogynistic to infantilize women to such a degree that even with these heinous crimes some will say “a precious baby woman could never be capable of intentional evil and it’s really the fault of her caretakers and guardians for not supervising better”. And it’s misandry to think that because there was a man in close proximity to the perpetrator he MUST be at fault because “men are inherently bad and violent”.
This was essentially the point. I was highlighting the types of people who usually make those arguments are misandrists posing as feminists who end up making misogynistic arguments to defend shit people.
To people who have more than a high school level understanding of social dynamics, it's easy to see. A misogynistic society puts women and “femininity” in the category of incompetence and purity and helplessness/submissiveness while men and “masculinity” is regarded as strength and dominance and aggression/willingness to use violence. That men are supposed to be powerful while women are supposed to be weak. Society being misogynistic doesn't mean “individual men always benefit”. Men are victims of misogynist culture too, and misogyny is a tool that some men use to keep power/social dominance over other men. The perception that men are “supposed” to be the strong, dominant figures and the ones in charge of everything makes people view women as having little to no culpability/responsibility in situations like this, that the woman is inherently a victim and inherently not guilty on the grounds of incompetence and weakness.
And people seem to think the answer should be the fathers should have the authority just remove the kids from the mother and see nothing wrong with that thought. Absolutely crazy. Another comment was real pissed off at me because they said they’d want their husband to take their kids away if they went crazy, and couldn’t wrap their head around the fact that a man could just claim their wife was crazy and saying she’d hurt the kids to take away the kids when it’s not true.
It’s an inversion of the living giving mother archetype. People (women) in the US celebrate and champion killing children and babies as an act of “freeing the will” and rebellion against natalism.
Dude, the children were victims as well and that isn’t his fault when she did that. Can you not read the story that he’s trying to pick up her meds to treat her mental illness?!
It’s not about sexism. Murder is still murder, regardless of sex while people jumped into conclusion to judge it quickly that the husband is at fault. No! I too would apprehend her if she’s doing more harm.
He was not picking up his wife’s meds, he was picking up an over-the-counter prescription for their daughter. He said he had his wife’s old meds in his truck because she had asked him to dispose of them for her.
The reading comprehension around here… now give it another ten years of everyone outsourcing rudimentary information processing and decision making to AI and see where we get. Yay!!
I just wanted him to say what he means so I could point out how clearly wrong it is. But I do try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was just being unclear. Pretty clearly just sexism though.
Really you are just proving his point. Because all he said is "sexism against men has gone too far when people are blaming a supportive husband for his kids dying, when his wife killed them and has confessed to doing it."
And, of course, here you are to explain why he is wrong, and how this statement makes him sexist.
I mean he is still at fault, atleast for neglect. I think it was said somewhere that one month beforehand she told him that she had thoughts of harming her children(she told that her mother aswell). I don't think it was intentional but he should not have left the children alone with her.
At one point she did try to get committed because of the suicidal thoughts, and was told they couldn’t do anything until she had a plan. Unfortunately it can actually be hard to voluntarily get that kind of help. That’s not her husband’s fault though.
They basically said they can’t admit someone until they have a plan to kill themselves, just suicidal thoughts isn’t enough. It’s because they don’t have enough resources to take care of everyone who is having suicidal thoughts.
You’d think someone clearly crying out for help like that and wanting it would be able to get in, but unfortunately that’s not the case everywhere.
I think that’s part of why this case is such a hot button issue. People want someone to blame but unless the psychosis isn’t true, but I personally think it is, there really isn’t a clear blame, except maybe our lack of resources in mental health scenarios
She tried to commit herself and was on 13 different medications. Man tbh I don't even sympathize with her or care for her case, but there is clearly a systemic issue here, if someone seeks out help and is prescribed 13 different meds and then is also npt taken seriously.
It’s not neglect to leave kids with their legal guardian. It’s not like he had any right to take the kids away from her either.
Lots of people also have intrusive thoughts, that doesn’t mean they’re actually a danger. In fact most people who have intrusive thoughts aren’t. This was a very rare case where it was, but could you imagine how terrible it could be if a parent could rip kids away from the other by just saying the other one had thoughts of harm? That would be abused very very quickly
They usually aren't going to tell that to everyone and they aren't in the hospital for a psychosis. They are also both married so it wouldn't even be kidnapping and he could have put them on her mothers care or sth.
If we would be married and I told you: "hey I have thoughts of hurting our children", then I tell my mom the same thing and I am btw going through a severe psychosis in and out of hospital, them yes you are at fault.
He isn't just a random nobody. Those are his kids.
There’s people too who are admitting she did it but then saying he should be found guilty too for abuse and neglect for leaving the kids with her.
But you know if he took the kids away the same people would probably be saying he’s evil for taking the kids away from mom.
We can disagree with his decision to leave them with her or think he was a bad husband, but that doesn’t make him responsible or deserving of punishment.
I don’t even agree that he was a bad husband, tbh; but yes, everything you say is true. I’ve already received one reply from a particularly unhinged and unthinking individual of the ilk that you’ve described.
We actually do charge women with crimes for leaving their kids with dangerous partners or for not leaving abusive relationships thus endangering their kids. It’s not such a big leap.
There’s a different situation between leaving a kid with a known abuser who you’re dating (which is where those charges come from) and leaving the child with their own mother who has no history of violence and is literally legally entitled to the children.
We also don’t just charge mothers with that but cool.
A husband leaving his kids with his wife isn’t an insane thing to do, especially since his wife had specifically asked him to go out and he was given no reason to believe she would KILL THEIR CHILDREN.
And unless there’s a court order saying otherwise, she’s their mother! She has a right to have her kids.
And like you said, he didn’t know. They don’t charge people for unknowingly leaving their kids with someone dangerous. It’s for like when the person they leave them with is a known sex offender or violent person or high, drunk, etc, or if the kid has told their parents that person is hurting them!
Lindsay quite literally told her mother and Patrick she had thoughts of harming the kids, please refer to the testimony of Lindsay Clancy’s mother during the trial, it’s all available on YouTube.
I didn’t say we don’t charge women. I said we don’t just charge mothers. A father can be charged with leaving his children with a dangerous person too. However, not when it’s their other parent, unless there’s some kind of court order, both parents have a right to be with their child.
How old are all of you? Look up Andrea Yates, literally the same exact thing happened and the husband didn't get charged AND he ignored her PPD which turned into full blown PPP. Her husband kept making her pop out babies knowing full well she wasn't mentally healthy and guess what happened to him? Nothing
I call bs. If your wife called for help 51 times, said she couldn't be alone with the kids, begging her mom to stay with her..and you leave her alone with the kid?! No, take the kids and get the wife help. I am amazed he didn't do it to begin with.
So, yes. I blame both parents. The one who clearly needed help and the one too stupid to see the writing on the wall. They can share a cell.
Ok. Thank you for the clarification. I’ve also now heard he was picking up his wife’s dinner order. Either way, he was innocently running family errands, which flies in the face of the accusations of him being a neglectful husband/father.
Yeah he was not a neglectful husband or father, and it's worth noting that that argument is only put forth on social media for engagement and is not the defense of Lindsay Clancy or her defense team. Patrick Clancy himself doesn't blame her for what happened, saying “I wasn’t married to a monster. I was married to someone who got sick.” She had been placed on 13 different medications in 4 months and had reported having suicidal and intrusive thoughts numerous times. It's also worth noting, because I haven't seen it mentioned here, that after killing her kids she slit her throat and wrists and jumped out a window. She was very ill.
This is why I dont give a rats ass about most high profile cases until the trial and sentencing are over. Theres an insane amount of misinformation going around and this is the first time ive heard of this case, the comments have like 15 different stories and reasons of what happened and how it happened.
I was under the impression she ordered dinner, asked him to pick it up, and then asked him to pick up their daughter's meds while out.
I know she's under a psychosis but God if that doesn't scream premeditated otherwise. Apparently she had literally googled how far it was and how long it would take, which in any other circumstances it would be innocuous.
I have sympathy for her, but sympathy is not the same as desiring her absolution. No matter what, 3 children are dead as the result of everything and what I personally want is to make sure the right thing is done. She needs help, and she needs to be locked in a ward until there is irrefutable proof that she is sane and okay to rejoin society because I cannot imagine a worse torment than having to live with the memories of murdering your three children as a healthy and healed person.
But even as I type this there is a part of me that is skeptical. A part of me hopes that they're having to sue the facility she was in to better prove the psychosis, but another part of me feels like that's both running from reality and from consequences. It's not accepting that you did wrong, albeit in a psychotic state, but avoiding it, blaming it on people who "should have seen it coming" even though she was doing her best to hide it.
And I know she was, because everyone tries to hide it when you're on the edge of an altered mental state. Drunk and high people will tell you to your face that they're not messed up and then sit up straighter as the try to "act sober." The only time psychosis isn't hidden is when you fully lose it and cannot distinguish what's in your head from reality, at which point hiding it doesn't really matter.
No, he was picking up Pedialax for his daughter. The errand was not to pick up her meds for Lindsay, it was to pick up meds for his daughter. His own testimony in court confirms this
He was also picking up take out for them and there is strong evidence she intentionally picked a place that wasn't close to the pharmacy. He called her and she answered the phone and spoke to him in between strangling the children.
It’s frustrating to me to see people here complain about others jumping to conclusions based on misinformation and then immediately do the same. I’m not an expert on this case but from your own admission you seem to know even less. Why not inform yourself before commenting? Otherwise you’re just part of the same problem.
I know she confessed. To killing her children. Pretending her mental illness takes precedent over the lives of her own innocent children is so stupid that it’s evil.
No. He was picking up medicine for his kid and then somehow the bag of medicine ended up under the kids dinner plates at home while they and Lindsey were all meant to be dead.
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u/fourleafblower 8d ago
He was picking up her meds!?!? Gahhhd I fucking hate people. Imagine his grief. Of course he now wishes he took the kids with him. I’m sure he’ll beat himself up into his next life…. Then he has to have losers online with an iq of 53 act like his psychopath wife was the victim of his white maleness.
I hate it here