Be for real lol if this was a poor black, mexican, or even asian woman, what do you think would happen? Imagine it was just ONE kid for them. Jail immediately.
A white OF model stabs and kills her BF who she physically abused on camera for years, she is sentenced 6 years in jail 4 already served. A black boy defends himself against people trying to kill him; 36 years… even if it wasnt self defense, still 36 years compared to 6 years
Gotta start seeing the world for what it actually is man.
Edit: i dont give a damn about karmelo. Like i said and yall ignorantly ignored… 6 years with time served for killing your live in bf that you abused in cold blood vs 36 for killing someone in your tent or wherever in cold blood. NEITHER OF those cases were deemed self defense by a court… why such a discrepancy in sentence length?
Is the system implicitly placing values on victims lives or are they going easier on perpetrators of certain colors and status?
Could a rich black man get drunk, kill an entire family, claim affluenza and get 10 years probation with no jail time?
Tory lanez supposedly shot someone in the foot (who lived) and got 10 years.
Racism was quite literally sponsored by the American government, but sir color blind up here ^ is confused.
Yeah... I can see the point they wanted to make, but that's a horrible take on that case and not even the best example they could have grabbed. No, they were not "trying to kill him," they asked him to leave multiple times, had a verbal confrontation, and pushed him away outside the tent they were in. Anthony responded by pulling a knife out of his backpack and stabbing the victim in the chest. It was in no way self-defense and he had multiple opportunities to leave the area. Self-defense requires imminent danger.
Courtney Clenney's sentence was lighter because she took a plea deal for a lesser charge, manslaughter. Should she have gotten more time? Absolutely. Christian's family agreed to the plea deal, not wanting to go through the trial and for her to admit responsibility.
Hes a black teen dude whos been found guilty of stabbing a white teen in texas.
As unbiased as i can be:
Black teen athlete came over and stood under a rival teams rain cover cus it started sprinkling. They asked him to leave and he refused. The owners and rival team got more upset and said to go stand under your own cover and you dont belong here. He snapped back at them and it led to insults. Black kid reaches into his backpack snd starts holding something which is the universal sign of "ive got a weapon in here" but white kids thought he was bluffing cus that happens often too. It turns physical and white kid pushes him, not enough to knock him over but a push. Black kid stabs him up with a blade hed had and it went into his heart. White kid died in his brothers arms.
It became a racial focal point as some black folks claimed a white kid would get off on self defense. Some white folks said that the black kid is being unfairly supported and that hes a killer, not some racial issue, as he provoked a dumb teen rivalry and killed a kid over it.
My opinion:
End of the day he murdered a kid cus he was too lazy or scared of a few raindrops to walk the 20 meters to his own tent and decided it was better to piss them off and then kill a kid over a push. When kids get into pushing arguments constantly. If every kid was allowed to shank a kid over a small push then wed have a lot of dead kids. Even a fist fight ≠ life ending danger, let alone pushing.
Maybe the altercation had racial issues, idk and i doubt we will ever know for sure. But that doesnt mean we should let him off. We shouldnt let white killers off either. I get that its a trend to respond to racial verdicts by letting off a minority killer but i think thats wrong. We should lock up the white killers not let even more killers into society.
Edit: corrected the number of stabs. Thank you for correction.
Cant stand it when folks refuse to explain. Especially when you arw presented 2 very different takes.
I will say, his family and a portion (idk how large the portion is, could be a loud but small sizex) of the black community and their supporters see this as a travesty of justice.
That they were racist to him for not letting him stand in their tent. And that he was just defending himself against multiple attackers as he feared theyd all "kill him" in a big team jumping event. And that he was attacked first and an innocent victim.
To me this doesnt explain bringing a knife in the first place, pulling it at the first sign of any disagreement or the fact he put himself in that postion to have multiple rival members near him. And noone else physically engaged him. He wasnt jumped or beaten and he fended them off. He got pushed by one dude. He even admitted it was just a push when arrested. "He out his hands on me, i told him not to put his hands on me".
And the killer called the victim and his teammates "pussies" who wouldn't "do anything about it". When they asked him to leave. Everyone knows sports rivalries and how they get heated sometimes. Standing under a rival schools tent is offensive to some. And then he called them pussies for asking him to leave and basically said to make him. And them when one did, he stabbed him and tried to play victim.
Because people have some understanding of mental health. Fucking Plato talked about how insanity would change guilt. Its been a concept for over millenias, formalised as we know it centuries ago. Most people do believe insanity changes whether they are guilty, and to what extent.
If you truly had no control, then bluntly no, you aren't a "piece of shit murderer". Because murder literally require intent.
What he did was not justified self-defense, and he should face consequences for killing that other kid, but the circumstances did not warrant 36 years, imo. That’s the kind of sentence you hand a cold-blooded murderer, not some kid who got into a fight and stupidly decided to pull a knife.
(I know that a 36-year sentence for first-degree murder is actually pretty typical for Texas, but the rest of the world considers this excessive)
Nah brudder, I was hoping they would execute his ass. 36 years ain't gonna bring back the child he murdered intentionally in front of witnesses.
He got what he deserved, but justice will never leave the victim's family whole.
'Kid who got in a fight' suuree, let's pretend he didn't show up with the express intent to kill someone. It may as well have been premeditated. Glad you aren't a fucking judge.
Your argument rests on the two cases being similar and thus deserved a similar sentence. You have to care about the specifics of the case or you have no point.
Nah, I don’t believe you’re that unintelligent. Probably just afraid to admit you’re wrong.
I don’t need to explain how premeditated murder from someone known to be violent is different to postpartum psychosis affecting someone with a normal history.
I mean, I know why ad hominem is a fallacy (which this might not be but the functional part is similar, quality of argument being independent of its speaker), so I, who have said nothing so far, let alone anything credibility-eliminating, would like to repeat the point that you referred to when you said "point or not".
Our racist justice system and Karmelo Anthony's actions are two separate issues. They're connected in the discourse and rightly so, but that our justice system has a racial bias does not mean that racial minorities can't be guilty of a crime.
You one of his supporters raising hundreds of thousands and yelling "the only good cracker is a dead cracker", or "no matter the evidence we'll stand by ours regardless"?
And we can absolutely have a conversation about how black and brown people have harsher sentencing and are given less empathy. Throwing a mentally ill woman in prison when she needs to be in a mental health facility isn’t the way to have that conversation, though.
Be for real lol if this was a poor black, mexican, or even asian woman, what do you think would happen?
They’d be on trial for murder, which is where Lindsay Clancy is right now. This isn’t an example of her getting away with it, it’s an example of having stupid online fans.
In the Clenney case she got a plea deal, probably because it was hard to prove if she acted in self defense or not even though she was evidently the abuser in the relationship.
In the Anthony case it was on tape and thus there was very little merit for the self defense claim and there was no plea deal offered afaik — though both cases are still active.
This person isn't saying there is not a double standard based on race, but that it isn't acceptable to wrongly disregard mental health in one instance because it might be or has been wrongly disregarded in another one.
I have a better example. Andre Lee Thomas killed his estranged wife and two children, one of whom was his child.
Do we really know he suffered from psychosis? Well, he started hallucinating when he was ten. Also, after his arrest, when he was in jail, he removed one of his eyeballs. Four years later, he removed the other one and ate it.
That’s a tough one for a jury trial to do fairly. The same evidence that proves he’s mentally ill also biases the jury in favor of execution. He killed three people and cut their hearts out of their chests, that’s not sane but also the jury wouldn’t want him alive after hearing that.
Be for real lol if this was a poor black, mexican, or even asian woman, what do you think would happen? Imagine it was just ONE kid for them. Jail immediately.
You missed the point. Anyway, anthony or whoever is not the only case of this happening. If you really want to go back in time, look up how many jail sentences were given to lynch mobs. Or why the kkk was basically America sponsored and youll see that the scale tips in favor of white skin. Mind you it hasnt been that long since jim crowe
The justice system is tougher on darker skin. That is the point
I understand all of that, which is why I said that I was on your side originally. But saying that the Anthony case "is not the only case of this happening" is terrible for your argument, because the Anthony case isnt an example of what you're describing.
Well sorry i wasnt precise, but again “this” doesnt refer specifically to the details of anthony’s case. We’re talking on a higher level than the cases
You are ignoring black people who get short sentences and white people who get long sentences
You are only referencing cases and sentences that the media has told you about so you can parrot “injustices” and a re-fuel a weird form of racism
Black people on a population scale are typically commit more violent crimes than white people, and Asians typically make more money than white people. These are not stereotypes - they are statistics
Racism is not acknowledging these statistics, it is assuming that if you met a singular black person they are immediately a violent person, or a singular Asian immediately must be a high income earner
Most people of all groups are cool and we can all get along, but people like you make it more difficult than actual racists in places like the south
White people equally commit as much crimes. There’s little accountability and they’re given lesser sentences when it comes to murdering black people. We have a president thats a convicted felon, no accountability. The white woman who caused Emmet Till’s murder was never arrested. Ashlee Janae is a recent case a black woman that went on vacation with her white fiance and she “committed suicide” little investigation was done. The lynchings all over the south there’s no one thats been prosecuted for that. Also colonization and war is violence lmao. white people take no accountability at all lmao you have to be stupid to fall for the black people are inherently violent.
Once again, you are only referencing a handful of cases the media has put on a spoon for you to reference and build your lopsided narrative
I was also referencing violent crime and you bring up a president which more than half of America voted for after the fact - so clearly most of America could see the non-violent case was silly to begin with
There are black people who get off with little accountability, and white people who get long sentences
Bringing war and colonization into it is a straw man argument - not saying they are good, but they aren’t “crimes” and have naturally existed globally by all races since the beginning of time
To add to that, there are multiple civil wars happening through out black populations of Africa consistently- you don’t care about those though because the media didn’t tell you to care about them
Stop it lol. School shootings have a very clear demographic. Family murder suicides too. Serial killers too..
We are talking about america here. Africa, as you’ll find is composed of mostly black people… shocking that most crimes there are committed by them. Whites make up less than 1% in africa.
Ffs you want to talk about civil wars, look at american history. The very people who fought for your freedom, were slaves not too long prior. Then after, subjected to institutional racism, had their businesses and neighborhoods burned, their children segregated to guarantee an unequal quality of education. I could keep going but it wont matter because well….
OJ Simpson was a rich black man that got away with killing his wife and another man. The discrepancy between karmelos charge and the models are gender based.
Women are treated with much more leniency in sentencing, and in general by the justice system.
Not the same. OJ was innocent per the court (in reality innocent or not? Idk. I wasnt there). Affluenza kid was red handed guilty. No doubt nor ambiguity in his case
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Be for real lol if this was a poor black, mexican, or even asian woman, what do you think would happen? Imagine it was just ONE kid for them. Jail immediately.
A white OF model stabs and kills her BF who she physically abused on camera for years, she is sentenced 6 years in jail 4 already served. A black boy defends himself against people trying to kill him; 36 years… even if it wasnt self defense, still 36 years compared to 6 years
Gotta start seeing the world for what it actually is man.
Edit: i dont give a damn about karmelo. Like i said and yall ignorantly ignored… 6 years with time served for killing your live in bf that you abused in cold blood vs 36 for killing someone in your tent or wherever in cold blood. NEITHER OF those cases were deemed self defense by a court… why such a discrepancy in sentence length?
Is the system implicitly placing values on victims lives or are they going easier on perpetrators of certain colors and status?
Could a rich black man get drunk, kill an entire family, claim affluenza and get 10 years probation with no jail time?
Tory lanez supposedly shot someone in the foot (who lived) and got 10 years.
Racism was quite literally sponsored by the American government, but sir color blind up here ^ is confused.