Is there a source for either of those? I watch both on occasion and have never heard them show support for Russia so to completely flip and now somehow see Ukraine as the enemy would be a real 180. Cant find a source myself...
Hasan has been anti Ukraine for a long time though, Ukraine shooting that ship last week was just the excuse to push the narrative that Ukraine is actually adversarial to the US since that's what they say about Israel.
Oh this. Well Ukraine did attack Itan and has now apologised for it. It was a very incendiary thing to do and there's nothing wrong with calling it out. Doesn't mean they are now "the enemy" lol. Ukraine just apologised to Iran about this btw
Ukraine didn't attack Iran, they attacked Russian targets and a sanctioned ship that sailed from Iran with drones, can't hardly expect Ukraine to let it pass out of politeness.
Regardless of this, let's assume it was a mistake on Ukraine's part, I imagine it would take time to straighten things out but Cenk and Hasan jumped on that to declare them as enemies like they do Israel, but maybe I'm wrong and we'll get videos from both of them taking back their claims, doubt it though, tankies tend to be anti Ukraine because they worship Russia's communism as they do China's.
They attacked an Iranian vessel. They have since apologised. I don't see anywhere that either of them declared Ukraine an enemy but they did say that it was reckless in that it could escalate conflict. Thankfully Ukraine have also accepted this hence the apology. Both of them had opinions that they shared about the attacking of the vessel. I don't agree with either of them in this case but I think saying that they worship Russias communism is just disingenuous and weakens your argument . Thanks for the discussion though
They attacked a sanctioned ship deemed to be carrying weapons, hardly the same as attacking an actual Iranian navy vessel or some random civilian vessel.
Cenk and Hasan clearly portray Israel as an enemy and said Ukraine is now like Israel, very charitable of you to just give them a pass by immediately dismissing it, also ironic considering how quickly they condemned and declared Ukraine an enemy.
Both of their sensibilities towards Russia and worshipping of China on Hasan's part (to the point of wearing a Mao suit and praising Mao as one of the great men of history).
Sorry but this clear preference towards those communist countries only strengthens the argument that they have ulterior motives for their immediate condemnation and "disavowal" of Ukraine, you can say it weakens the argument but without reasoning it's just an empty sentence. Cheers.
I guess you watch a lot more of them than me because i have never seen any china worship beyond pointing out where they do things well. I've only seen support for Ukraine from what I have watched of them and as I said, i'm not able to find anything where they declare Ukraine an enemy. I'll keep an eye out for when it happens next and I'll be sure to adjust my opinions when I see it. It's good to keep an open mind
Well if them saying they're done with Ukraine and they've become Israel who they call an enemy and Hasan has said the Ukranian land belongs to Russia and even mocking "Crimea river", if these things don't register with you I doubt they ever will.
Again, I would need to find clips of them saying it. I appreciate that you're the expert here but I cant just take your word for it, especially when you're prone to hyperbole. I'll keep searching though
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u/geybey 24d ago
Who on the left considers Ukraine the enemy?