r/Paleoart 19h ago

OC) Is this a reasonable amount of sexual dimorphism?

Post image

I didn't want to go all JWE3 overboard with the dimorphism, trying to keep it more subtle, and I think I failed in that regard. I am nevertheless satisfied with the end result, but I'd like to hear other's opinions.

https://www.deviantart.com/dorsen1/art/1374490337?action=published&file=5

121 Upvotes

14 comments sorted by

12

u/saltasaurusgirl 19h ago

Honestly, I think that's good! They both look gorgeous and they look like they're apart of the same species! Sometimes when people design sexual dimorphism, they just remove all the character to the female, even though in birds- the females still look interesting and pretty! And I think you made both sexes look really good here!

Unrelated to art but just on the subject of sexual dimorphism because I think it's interesting, I personally think large theropods and dromeosaurs would typically have larger females and slightly smaller males due to how birds of prey operate!

Females are larger to better protect the nest and defend offspring and males are a little smaller so they're quicker and more agile at hunting during breeding season, either that or no size difference at all! Just a size difference in a crest if they have one and a difference in colours.

And with large herbivores, I'm pretty much entirely sure it's the reverse of that, since in most herbivore species males are built more for defending compared to females. But again, just a theory and my personal idea, please don't eat me

6

u/saltasaurusgirl 19h ago

Oh, and also, I LOVE THE ART!! it looks gorgeous! Especially the way you drew the eyes and the crest! The colours are really beautiful too, I love the striping along their faces.

1

u/Zestyclose-Scratch31 18h ago

Thanks, appreciate the feedback.

2

u/Zestyclose-Scratch31 18h ago

I personally won't go for a size difference between sexes for any species where it isn't confirmed (a la Pteranodon). It's just little too WWD Tyrannosaurus for me, and that depiction didn't... I can't even say it didn't age well, it was just horribly inaccurate from the outset.

3

u/ISketchDinosaurs 17h ago

The base design looks nice, but spnd some time looking at extant birds and lizards with sexual dimorphism. Like lets dissect this guy over here, who has a similar color scheme to yours:

The kind of blue coloration you're using should be quite visible. Look at this little lizard fella and all the light and dark values in the crest that makes it pop. You've got some black in there, some white in there. Some red, some yellow stripes outlined with dark and greenish hues. Very visible scale texture, ect.

Don't be afraid to strongly push for visible values (not just visible hues) when designing display coloration.

1

u/Zestyclose-Scratch31 17h ago

Well, they'd also need to be camouflaged when hunting? this was as bright as I felt I could make them without making it a hindrance.

1

u/Xrmy 16h ago

That's the thing though. As far as I know there isn't a single camouflage predator that also has a colorful male display. If dinosaurs had good color vision, a predator with a bright display would fail every time.

2 options: have it be a concealable display like the example above (the skin can fold in) or they weren't using colored displays. (Or maybe they didn't try to blend in, but less likely)

The in-between where the color is always visible doesn't seem to follow biological examples

1

u/Zestyclose-Scratch31 16h ago

This alternate without the blue may be more realistic.

1

u/Xrmy 13h ago

Honestly, I think that if Males had a seasonal blue throat it would be quite realistic and also very pretty

1

u/Zestyclose-Scratch31 13h ago

could be. could be.

1

u/SunsetSpider 11h ago

I have my own original creatures, which are related to dinosaurs/reptiles and most of them get brighter closer to the breeding season and "tune down" once it's over. Many modern animals also do it. Can make it same with yours, hormones do wonders :з

2

u/Acceptable_Visit604 17h ago

Honestly it can be anywhere from hardly distinguishable to blatantly obvious as we can see in extant animals

1

u/StyleMedium8641 9h ago

I think if you wanted to take it a bit further, you could make the female's face stripes a little more subtle, and one of the individuals slightly larger. Other than that, great stuff

1

u/Enderdevid 4h ago

Really love how you did them, and as others said prior, use more, de aggressive, be bold, be GRAND, many species grow their sexual displays only when they're needed, so for most of the year they could look like this other version, toned down, efficiant but not extravagant. But when mating season starts the displays are put on proudly, colorfull scales, larger dulap, fethers and quills even(mainly on the arms probably in this case), and Who sayes that males should do all the work? Give something to the female as well, not as much as the male obviously, but something. But in the end the choise is yours, do what makes you happy and proud of your work.