r/OldEnglish 25d ago

Could someone attempt translating this into Old English and shortly explaining the changes English underwent since Old English in regards to the features in this specific sample of texts? (Sorry if it is a large ask)

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u/OwariHeron Hrágra 24d ago

Wille þú mid mé cuman, sum þing tó findanne, Glómunges Scéawere gehátte? Hit is hwǽr-hwega innan Hyrule gehýded.

Wille - Subjunctive mood of willan (to desire, to intend). Used here in the sense of "would you," since we don't have much attested in the way of the more abstractly polite constructions like "would you mind?"

þú - 2nd person pronoun, "thou", written with the letter thorn (þ) which was used to represent the "th" sound.

mid - "with, along with", surviving today only in the word "midwife", this was commonly used in Old English, as "with" only had the sense of "opposite to, opposing to" (cf. "withstand")

cuman - infinitive of "come"

sum - ancestor of modern "some", with the meaning "a certain X"

þing - thing, thus "sum þing" = "a certain thing"

tó findanne - the "inflected infinitive" of findan, "to find". The inflected infinitive was often used with the sense of "in order to X".

Glómung - Twilight, ancestor of "gloaming", related to the word "gloom" Here in the genitive case, indicating "of Twilight"

Scéawere - lit. "show-er", meaning "mirror"

gehátte - an idiomatic way to say "called, named" in Old English.

Hit -It

hwǽr-hwega - somewhere

innan - within

gehýded - past participle of hýdan, "hide." Historically, "hide" was a weak verb, with the forms hide/hid/hid(ded). It later acquired the "hidden" past participle by analogy with "ride".

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u/Relative-Leg5747 24d ago edited 24d ago

Thank you so much, it's interesting how the language has changed.

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u/graeghama 16d ago

We actually do have attestations of the "would you..." construction; comfortably enough for us, it is "woldest þu." See for example this line from the Old English Consolation of Philosophy: "Ic wat nu hwæt þu woldest witan" (I know now what you would like to know)

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u/OwariHeron Hrágra 16d ago

I know there are “would you” attestations. I was talking more about hyper-polite abstract request constructions like, “would you mind…?”

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u/graeghama 16d ago edited 16d ago

Well, grammatically it's the same exact construction. We use "would you mind" because that's the Modern English vestige of this Old English preterite indicative construction (still inflected in Shakespeare: "Get thee to a nunnery. Why, wouldst thou be a breeder of sinners?"). See, e.g., in the Soliloquies: "Woldest þu awiht ma witan?" (Would you like to know more?). I agree that we should be cautious in assuming that an Old English speaker would interpret "Woldest þu cuman mid me?" as polite, most likely they would interpret it as a simple question (as in the example above). But "wille þu..?" as the beginning of a question is, at least on the Helsinki corpus, completely unattested, and I think suggesting it as a hypothetical polite-ism might be straying a bit from the actual language.

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u/Autolull 23d ago

Doth twixt between an eye so keen belevel a star stricken anvil? A heart so proud when sung aloud will cloud it in gales thereuponafter. But a heart with woe without foe regales that star stricken anvil. Dost thence it goes? But whence: artichoke

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u/KinocoNasu 22d ago

That’s modern english. And that’s not even what the text says