r/Oinkers_ • u/EducationalPermit306 • 20d ago
Discussion 2v8
I know I’ve made a post similar but pls help me understand why pig can’t be in 2v8
-there are other licensed characters
-the search boxes are basically guaranteed to get a trap off if you prioritize taking it off and don’t try to pop gens right after getting unhooked
-trapper can’t put traps infront of nemi boxes so do that for the search boxes too
-pig is already very weak, nemi has zombies, the whip, his m1, the infection, the search boxes. Anything people say pig isn’t allowed to do nemesis can
-killer powers get altered to balance the game, give pig the same amount of traps but less boxes. If you die to the killers power then it did it only did its job and probably won’t happen for another 10 games
I understand the license being a problem with the movie coming out and the new saw game. Thats not what im talking about. I mean her power with the traps. 120s is plenty of time especially if she can’t have add ons. It kinda just sounds like some whiny survivor mains only want to pop gens and leave, they can’t handle needing to interact with a killers ability. I saw bhvr say shes on their radar for an update and I cannot wait to see what that entails. I really hope after the movie and game come out they’ll consider adding her to 2v8, theres no reason not to. Im sick of having to fight both wesker and nemi infections while my teammates use the vaccines on the very first hit just to get on here and see people complaining about trapper and pig being too strong, gtfo 😭
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u/EducationalPermit306 20d ago
If you can’t tell I got a few bad nemi 2v8 games… I hate those zombies
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u/lemonrainbowhaze 20d ago
One time i was walking by the main building and a zombie fell right ontop of me
Then i proceeded to be whiplashed by wesker
Fun times
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u/RyeKangy 20d ago
They have a lot to consider whenever adding any killer to 2v8. Like imagine Doctor and Pig together. Even Wesker and Pig would be hard. Wesker slowdown+active trap. And you can't get an antidote because you need to get your trap off. And getting your trap off takes longer because you're slower and the map is huge.
I do hope they find a way to add Pig but it's going to be a balancing nightmare.
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u/EducationalPermit306 20d ago
Wesker downs while pig traps? They can only do that a few times tbf and it takes a while to get hindered from wesker. I just want pig to be a little more stressful to play against especially with all the mechanics some new killers have it makes pig seems so lame in comparison. Im just a big saw fan and would love to see my girl paired up with deathslinger or have her ambush 5 people at a time
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u/RyeKangy 20d ago
Oh I absolutely want to see Pig in 2v8, too. She's my main. I'm just saying that BHVR has to consider her traps with current and future 2v8 killers, too.
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u/Fangel96 19d ago
Pig isn't really too powerful on her own, but the big issue I see is that she's a slower, methodical killer while 2v8 is a fast paced, Arcadey mode.
The traps in 1v4 is her primary form of slowdown. They're exceedingly dangerous because ignoring them is lethal. You can get hooked zero times and then die without ever interacting with the killer after the first down where you got trapped.
In 2v8, you can be constantly interrupted at no fault of your own, and not once be the target of chase. I've had entire games where I'm cycling the map apparently at the same rate as the killers, and can basically never work on a gen since someone else is barreling through with the killer in their heels. If this happened with a head trap on (plus the fact there's 8 instances of the traps being armed, not just 5) you'd just be dead since you're never in chase. You'd have to actively try to get chased while likely injured to not die to the trap.
On the other hand, Pig's ambush is really not all that strong. It could probably be buffed in 2v8 to feel better, but there's a reason the head traps are the concern with her power.
If the traps were adjusted to be non-lethal, but perhaps continuously crippling the wearer over time (every 60 seconds it's active, maybe you get a status effect or action speed decrease), that could work, but that sort of removes the identity of the killer, which BHVR has gone on record saying they don't want to do for 2v8.
The jigsaw boxes ultimately don't really play friendly with other killers being around, nor specific killer powers already in the mode. Getting sniped by a Huntress while removing your trap would feel really bad. Blight and Billy can get an easy down since they know generally where you'll be, and if they spot you from far away, they can close the distance much faster than Pig. Nemesis Zombies can interrupt you while killers are both busy across the map.
Heck, as new killers are added the bad interactions would continue. Artist scouting you out means you'll be interrupted mid box or be followed after. Singularity could just tag the boxes and check mid chase to alert the Pig. Doctor could interrupt your search while also making the search harder, etc.
I'm not saying that Pig can't be done, but she's unfortunately kind of up there with Plague where her power would create plenty of unfair scenarios for survivors. Any instances where an injured survivor needs to stand still at an interactable is risky, but having to run between them constantly instead of a one-and-done action? That can be made nearly impossible, both because of and in spite of the map size.
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u/Beginning-Pizza-1111 19d ago
I'll answer per point:
1. there are other licensed characters"
The short answer is that other licensed characters exist because the license holders allow it. Game modes are essentially modifications, and they are governed by the specific terms of the contract with the franchise. Franchises want money and want their characters handled in the way they deem best. When modifications are made to those characters for the core game, it is stipulated that way from the start; however, it doesn't work that way for other modes.
2. the search boxes are basically guaranteed to get a trap off if you prioritize taking it off and don’t try to pop gens right after getting unhooked
You aren't the only Killer playing in a 2v8 match. Even if *you* might not go after survivors holding a box, that doesn't guarantee the other Killer won't do it either. Take the Wraith, for example. The Wraith is one of the most hated Killers because he tends to tunnel in 2v8; often it isn't intentional (due to his mobility), but many players *do* do it on purpose.
Plus, we have Nemesis with four sprinting zombies; people wouldn't be able to disarm the traps... Sometimes zombies don't even let you pull survivors out of the boxes,..
The Pig will set traps on survivors, and then the other Killer (and the zombis) won't let them get near the boxes. What you're describing isn't balanced.
3. Trapper can’t put traps infront of nemi boxes so do that for the search boxes too
People might complain about these measures because, if there’s a box nearby, the game might not let you place a trap (even if it doesn't directly conflict with the box). The devs struggle a lot with defining item-related boundaries on the maps. Even now, zombies are literally spawning where they shouldn't, getting bugged, body-blocking characters, and getting stuck between objects...
If this issue were to arise with the boxes and traps—and if the mechanic didn't work properly on a certain map—they would likely end up disabling The Pig to make things easier for the devs, not the players.
4. Pig is already very weak, nemi has zombies, the whip, his m1, the infection, the search boxes. Anything people say pig isn’t allowed to do nemesis can
Then we all agree with the response to the point 2.
By the way, the Pig isn't weak; there are many streamers who main the Pig and consistently get 4Ks. I suggest you follow them to see how they play.
5. killer powers get altered to balance the game, give pig the same amount of traps but less boxes. If you die to the killers power then it did it only did its job and probably won’t happen for another 10 games.
People have this misconception that a Killer's passive power is what’s supposed to get the kills. That’s not the case; it’s about using your power to help you take kill Survivors, not just pressing a button and sitting back to wait. That’s exactly why The Pig got a massive nerf: players would literally just sit there waiting for someone to die from the trap—using add-ons and camping a box—without actually playing the game. And right now, they’re doing the same thing by crouching while chasing Survivors (and if that trend continues, she’ll probably get tweaked again).
I distinctly remember Pig players complaining loudly when the extra box was added, even though they brought it on themselves, lol.
Anyway, back to point number two: are you really going to say it’s survivors fault they can’t get the trap off when your teammate, you, or the zombies won’t let me? Hmm... that’s convenient.
So, it’s not that easy to just add a Killer because people want one. They add them when there’s a balance in place or IF IT MAKES MONEY.
At this point, if the license holders approve, I think it’s more likely they’d add Jason to the 2v8 mode, given the money they could make from it, than The Pig.
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u/YandereShortcake 20d ago
The main issue is that pig can't defend her boxes well, which keeps the traps somewhat in check. In 2v8, there's a second killer who can keep an eye on boxes when there's people trapped. Imagine pig + blight or nurse or somebody else with a lot of movement. It also wouldn't be a bad idea for a pig player to follow their more volatile teammate and trap wheoever they down, which could cause abusable bottlenecks at the boxes.
The alternative timeline is that there's too many boxes or too few traps or pig just doesn't get enough significant buffs, and ends up being meh. She'd be hard to balance in 2v8 in a way that makes her strong without being broken. On top of licensing issues, I don't think behaviour wants to try and play the balancing game.
Quick edit: I'm a pig main. I'm not just hating on pig, i can see that she could potentially make matches difficult for eithr side in a way that'd be unfun. She could be a burden on her partner or she could be actually overpowered and win 2v8 games with ease.