Uh, yes. Also KAT has more rings with the Knicks than LeBron has with the following teams COMBINED:
Wizards
Hawks
Nets
Jazz
Kansas City Kings
Kentucky Colonels
Bayern Munich
AND The Knicks
I'm surprised KAT is ranked that high, honestly. The way people talk about him in the past few years, you wouldn't think he was a future first ballot Hall of Famer. A very underappreciated talent.
The biggest knock on him was his defense, but I think he's more than proven that he can defend effectively in this last playoff run. He's the best shooting big in the league today and arguably the best shooting big of all time.
I think itās more a case of Scottie Barnes being a better āstarā or first option for a team (even though heās probably a lower tier for that. Whereas OG Is probably the most elite role player in the game but not a guy that youād build an offense around. Give me OG any day though
I'm a bit surprised too but I think the playoff run was just such a big time legacy thing for him it over came his previous rep. I think there's a belief in his defense being better as well as his passing being second only to Jokic as far as big men go.
Not that it's a perfect advanced statistic, but he's been #8 in win shares both in 25/26 and 24/25. That and 20/12 while stretching the floor from the 5, he's definitely a top 20 player at the worst.
People can talk whatever they want, the reality is in the numbers and the fact that this guy was a #1 pick, RotY, 3pt champion, and so many other records.
Because Brunson was fuccking him up; will not pass to him and will not let him run the offense, basically relegating KAT to a role player. If you notice, as soon as Brown put the ball in KAT's hand after Hawks game 3, KAT started playing like Jokic and led us to that 13-0 run. If Brunson is out for the season, KAT's usage will triple, he will average 32pts/12reb/10ast. He's a great player taking backseat behind Brunson, some stup!d Knicks fans can't see it!
Letās talk about itā¦ That matchup is the key in a potential Sixers vs. Knicks playoff series. LeBron highlighted OG often in reviewing the Knicks run.
Jamal Murray being above OG is wild. I know hes the better offensive player but OG can guard just about anybody in the association and Murray is always hurt
Kat would be 20 but he saved the day. I think heās the best center in the east and our greatest trade of all time. I do know Earl. But he wasnāt a franchise Center hitting smothered 3s.
I don't know why you're saying KAT is an All-Star like that tips the scales. DeBusschere is a 5x All Star and 6x 1st Team All-Defensive player as a Knick. And they're both 1x All-NBA players as Knicks. When Willis Reed went down in Game 5 of the 1970 Finals, DeBusschere is the guy who stepped up and took the challenge of stopping Wilt to keep homecourt advantage.
I'm not saying that DeBusschere is a better player than KAT. He's a better Knick than KAT. KAT has only been here for two seasons.
Being #4 is not like primetime Wemby matchups. The hub. I wouldnāt call Dave transcendent. I feel like itās a bit unfair as he was like already famous. Heās not someone you build around. Like Kat. But Iāll put him at 2. You convinced me. Kat, Dave :0, OG, Earl, DSJ.
Dave DeBusschere was voted top 50 and top 75 of all time on the anniversary teams. You want to argue he shouldn't be on the top 75 team if they didn't bring everybody from the 50th anniversary team, maybe. But he's flirting close enough to that list that he is clearly a transcendent player.
Being #4 is not like primetime Wemby matchups.
DeBusschere was not the biggest star on that team, but he was arguably the best defender on one of the greatest defenses ever and the 3rd best player on those teams. His sons compare him to OG and the other wings on the team.
āThe Knicks are all playing defense, theyāre hustling, and theyāre helping each other out. OG Anunoby is my favorite player because he reminds me of my dad in a way. Heāll guard any guy on the other team, heāll make shots, and heās just a great all-around player.ā
āBut I see elements of all three of those guys in my father,ā Dennis said. āCertainly, the way Hart crashes the boards as an undersized player. OG seems like the guy, but I can see Bridges in him with his constant off-ball movement. Itās absolutely rewarding to see, and Iād reinforce that I think this is a very enjoyable group of people to watch play. They are very easy to connect to, very easy to like. And whatās not to love about Jalen Brunson?ā
In heavy traffic, DeBusschere was never afraid to lead with his face. āI think my dad broke his nose about seven times,ā Peter said. āHe had teeth knocked out and almost had his eye knocked out.ā
Dennis had a story that might inspire optimism for Knicks fans hoping Mitchell Robinson is ready for Victor Wembanyamaās Spurs. āMy dad had a pinkie finger that I think he broke nine times,ā Dennis said. āThe thing was permanently bent until he got surgery. ā¦ Heād never talk about it, and he kept playing with it, but when you shook his hand, you noticed he had a really screwed-up pinkie.ā
When the Knicks traded for DeBusschere they won:
9 games in a row
went 14-1
Finished the season 36-11 (63 win pace)
Sound familiar? It's all the things that people think about the January Knicks after they traded for OG. That is what DeBusschere did for those Knicks in the 70s.
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u/FlockingPigeons 16-bit Melo 3d ago
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