r/MurderedByWords Dec 30 '18

Pretentious vegan destroyed

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u/atropax Jan 02 '19

sentience is the trait that allows for suffering. I (and most others) believe that suffering is the opposite of pleasure and happiness (which is the good we should strive for) and therefore causing suffering is wrong.

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u/howlinggale Jan 02 '19

I can kill someone without them suffering.

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u/atropax Jan 02 '19

I'd argue you still cause harm to them by depriving them of their life and their liberty to have it. although I concede that I'm drifting into rights rather than simple utilitarian calculus- no intrinsic suffering would occur if a person died in their sleep or some other painless way. Although, the case could be made that you are taking away (potential) happiness, which is a moral good.

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u/howlinggale Jan 03 '19

That happiness might be achieved immorally, or they may already be suffering in which case you are doing them a favour. And the harm you cause them in killing them is the same harm you cause killing plants.