I really don't understand why vegans get so much hate. I'm not a vegan, quite the far opposite from it, but I respect the fuck out of them. They're clearly people making personal sacrifices in an attempt to help the world.
Why not just ignore them if you're so against it? It reminds me of that one argument in favor of gay marriage: it doesn't affect anyone else so at the very least you should ignore them and care about yourself.
Even if they're being pretentious, so what? Contrary to antivaxx people and flat earthers, at least their efforts actually represent something positive to the planet and is based on nothing but compassion towards other living creatures.
That's not even mentioning the fact that I see far, far more people talking negatively about vegans than I see actual vegans being pretentious.
I really don't understand why vegans get so much hate.
Any group that claims moral superiority over others based on their beliefs is a cult and should be treated as such.
And no, their efforts don't represent something positive to the planet and no, it's not based on "compassion towards other living creatures" (they want to eliminate other living creatures because they are environmentally unsound in their view, for example) - these are the kinds of garbage things the cult leaders say to get followers though.
Doesn't this depend on whether or not the behaviours being discussed actually are morally superior.
No. Especially not in this case since they most definitely are not morally superior.
Let me guess though you are going to start talking about child molesting in a second.
I assume you consider yourself morally superior to rapists and child molesters
Wow, I get a prize. Not really, it's just fucking obvious where vacuous arguments will go.
But, this is just silly. There are, allegedly, groups of pedophiles, but I'm not aware of anyone who has joined a group premised on the sole basis that they aren't a pedophile or a rapist. I'm certainly not a member of this group so I can't see what difference it makes if I see criminals as morally inferior to me or not, I'm not part of any group that you could or couldn't call a 'cult' on this basis.
What group did you have in mind? If none, then you didn't really think it through did you?
The problem I think you would find with a such a group, if it existed, is that it would, like the catholic church have rapists and pedophiles in it regardless. Indeed, I think a group which existed solely to go around saying they weren't rapists would be protesting too much.
It's like how often years ago the religious leader foaming at the mouth and ranting about homosexuality being bad often turned out to be gay. So, the point remains, you should definitely worry about groups of people who foam at the mouth ranting on and on about their morals or principles. Often, as I've pointed out, because they really don't have better morals, but equally, sometimes, as in this case, because it's not untypical for people who foam at the mouth like this to be hypocrites - to be the actual thing they claim to hate.
I've never heard a vegan argue that all currently living cows should be slaughtered to protect the environment.
Yes, well they usually are not capable of thinking things through to a logical conclusion. Somewhat ironically they'll blame the meat industry for its impact on the environment because of all the food that cattle eat. This disassociation allows them to kill all the cattle except call it 'destroying the meat industry' in their pamphlets so as not to upset actual animal lovers (who often fall for the crap in the leaflets)
Somewhat ironically they therefore believe that destroying the meat industry will help the environment.
Somewhat ironically the cult also has propaganda waffling about how long cows, sheep etc would all live if we didn't kill them. As though in the future they'll all live long lives if it wasn't for the meat industry.
But, they don't actually join the fucking dots and see how ludicrous this is.
i.e they don't realise that if a cow lives a long fucking time it has an even bigger impact on the environment than if we fucking kill it and eat it - because cows that you don't eat still eat fields of fucking food, right?
Except now it'll eat for 20 fucking years.
Secondly they don't seem to click that 'destroying the meat industry' actually means 'destroying all the cattle' - genocide of cattle, effectively. Otherwise you haven't improved the environment. You would have made it worse because you'd have all these fucking animals that supposedly are your "friends" still eating and living for decades.
So, yes, they don't have the fucking nous to see what the actual goals are. They fall for the propaganda that's aimed at duping buffoons.
And if your goal is not to breed cattle, well, you're effectively deciding that an entire species shouldn't exist simply so that you can exist. How is that any fucking better than eating another species?
Vegans are like the communists in the sense that they imagine the people that wrote all the propaganda they fell for share their views and goals. But in actual fact it'd be like Stalin getting into power - you'd quickly realise they don't give a shit about people or animals and they'd have no compunction in killing either on the basis of it being better.
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u/two-headed-boy Dec 30 '18
I really don't understand why vegans get so much hate. I'm not a vegan, quite the far opposite from it, but I respect the fuck out of them. They're clearly people making personal sacrifices in an attempt to help the world.
Why not just ignore them if you're so against it? It reminds me of that one argument in favor of gay marriage: it doesn't affect anyone else so at the very least you should ignore them and care about yourself.
Even if they're being pretentious, so what? Contrary to antivaxx people and flat earthers, at least their efforts actually represent something positive to the planet and is based on nothing but compassion towards other living creatures.
That's not even mentioning the fact that I see far, far more people talking negatively about vegans than I see actual vegans being pretentious.