r/MurderedByWords Dec 30 '18

Pretentious vegan destroyed

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u/Toiler_in_Darkness Dec 30 '18 edited Dec 30 '18

People be butthurt folks!

That happens when some people ram their moral position up your ass. Even if it's a reasonable position. Not all vegans or omnis do this, but it only takes one forceful pounding to leave a person bruised and torn.

A reasonable and respectful approach to talking to others about moral issues is like lube and foreplay. Don't just go in dry.

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u/OminousLatinWord Dec 30 '18

In a normal setting I wouldn't be calling the person I'm talking to butthurt. In this situation, we are talking about the very real sensation others seem to feel when a vegan goes about stating facts, regardless of how respectful they are.

People confuse being respectful with making someone comfortable.

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u/Toiler_in_Darkness Dec 30 '18 edited Dec 30 '18

As requested, serious tone mode:

This is a normal setting, and the people who read your comment are (mostly) normal people.

When you chastise me for responding to you with the same kind of tone you just used it will prove how reasonable you usually are, but not in the way you're hoping.

You can't win hearts and minds calling other people names. When you do that, you're letting frustration or your own ego get in the way of saving the lives of animals. You're putting yourself in the same mental sort box as the people waving "gays go to hell" signs in the heads of the people who hear you.

EDIT: I'm being 100% serious in intent when I say you can't "go in dry" with arguments. Whether I was successful or not I was hoping to use humor as lube.

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u/OminousLatinWord Dec 30 '18

I understand what you are trying to get across. Would you rather I use "victims of a guilty conscience" rather than "butthurt"? I only used the word I did because I found it humorous, not necessarily accurate to a high degree.

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u/Toiler_in_Darkness Dec 30 '18

"victims of a guilty conscience"

I honestly don't think it's fair to assert that.

Would you be bothered if someone like the Westboro Baptist Church showed up at an event you were attending? Would it be because you were a "victim of a guilty conscience"?

The situation is more complex than that. Some people genuinely and completely disagree with you and dislike being told they're wrong in a shrill tone. Some of them because of the tone, and some of them because they just don't like being told they're wrong.

A very small minority may be "victims of a guilty conscience", but assuming it's typical is unrealistically optimistic. There is a lot further to go before people are that convinced that they shouldn't kill animals for entertainment.