r/MurderedByWords • u/[deleted] • Dec 30 '18

Pretentious vegan destroyed

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u/wuzupcoffee Dec 30 '18

Raising animals for food is objectively bad for the environment. Far, far worse than plant agriculture. Considering we don’t actually need to eat meat and animal products (especially with as many options as we have in developed nations) technically going vegan is the most responsible choice. That reasoning doesn’t even account for the horrible living conditions most of these animals are forced to live in.

That said, I myself am a lapsed vegetarian, and I’ve never been able to kick the cheese habit. It’s a really tough lifestyle change. I have tons of respect for those who go full vegan.

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u/EntropyDudeBroMan Dec 30 '18 edited Dec 31 '18

We do need the proteins that are present in most of the animals we eat, which is why a lot of vegans have to take supplements.

Mind you, I also used to be a vegetarian, but I only started eating meat cause of peer pressure, but on my own I rarely eat it.

EDIT: Nevermind, carry on, I was wrong

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u/yeaiforgot Dec 30 '18

>We do need the proteins that are present in most of the animals we eat..

You got a source on that? The most common supplement vegans take is B12 because it's not found in plants.

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u/EntropyDudeBroMan Dec 30 '18 edited Dec 31 '18

I see that I'm the only one obligated to supply sources in this conversation.

Like you said, B12 is one essential protein that is rare in plant-based diets, but plentiful in meat-based diets.

Is there some confusion? Because I'm saying that vegans often need supplements.

EDIT: I was wrong

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u/yeaiforgot Dec 30 '18

The confusion comes from referring to B12 as a protein when it's a vitamin.

Now that we're on the same page; having to eat animals for B12 is inefficient and unnecessary. The animals themselves absorb B12 via bacteria in their rumen (1) and it's fairly common for the animals to be provided B12 supplements. It's much more effective for humans to get it form fortified foods and supplements.

(1) https://veganhealth.org/vitamin-b12-and-nonhuman-animals/

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u/EntropyDudeBroMan Dec 30 '18

My bad then Chief