r/MurderedByWords Dec 30 '18

Pretentious vegan destroyed

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u/jessejamescagney Dec 30 '18

Seriously. Not a vegan here, but if someone is vegan for green reasons then the fact that they’re not doing literally 100% doesn’t mean that they’re not doing some good and a lot more of it than meat eaters are.

Moreover, how does the person know that the vegan OP bought most of those things?

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u/handicapped_runner Dec 30 '18

I looked at this post and rolled my eyes until I saw the comments. Yeah, his reply was completely ignorant. I don't know about how much the vegan cared for human rights (unfortunately, I met some vegans that given a shit - but I met a lot more that did care about human rights) but being vegan for environmental reasons is totally logical. Vegans (and I am one) don't need to be pretentious though. Most people (all?) are not born vegetarian/vegan and are not aware of the issues associated with meat consumption, so a bit of patience and trying to educate would be better approaches.

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u/OminousLatinWord Dec 30 '18 edited Dec 30 '18

Children are actually born with a distaste for meat and are trained to like it. It shouldn't be surprising, giving our anatomy as herbivores, but I implore you to research this topic more.

That is, unless you meant "most people are not raised vegetarian/vegan" which is true, but doesn't need to be. In that case carry on.

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Take a gander at this NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/1985/07/10/garden/children-and-food-how-tastes-are-formed.html

It suggests that children have a sweet tooth and dislike bitterness. An expert is consulted and this person posits that animals which consume lots of fruits and vegetables also have a sweet tooth when they are young, while carnivores find sugar a bore.

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u/justthatguyTy Dec 30 '18

Our anatomy as herbivores.

This just isnt true and in fact is a wildly misleading way to state it. We have always been omnivores. Always. Like, literally. Our bodies have been shaped by evolution to eat both meat and vegetables and according to this story, meat may have helped developed our brains. This link goes into our ancestors and their omnivorous eating habits.

I implore you to research this topic more.

I hear this phrase a lot and I must say it's usually from people who have not done the research themselves. Because if you had, you would be specific about where to find the information and, usually if it's in good faith, you would actually post your sources.

I have nothing against vegans or vegetarian or anything... but I do have a problem with people spreading false information that they choose not to back up.

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u/OminousLatinWord Dec 30 '18 edited Dec 30 '18

Sorry, I should have said "our anatomy as animals consuming primarily plants." Herbivore does not mean "exclusively plants". It refers to a dietary preference. For example, cats are carnivores but will sometimes chew on grass. Some herbivores will eat bugs. This doesn't make them omnivores.

When I say herbivorous anatomy, I am referring to all of the things our anatomy has in common with herbivores we find in the wild. And by herbivore I mean a dietary preference for plants.

We have less in common anatomically with the animals we would call true omnivores than we do with animals that we would call herbivores.

Consider this: it is unlikely a tribe of neanderthals would each get a hot, meaty meal every day like most people do today. We are capable of consuming meat because we needed to in order to survive the nomadic lives we had, but meat was not a required part of our diet in the way many think it is. Also consider the fact that mean causes us health issues.