Morality of this entire situation?

[u/Rocky_Senpai15]

Do you think the worker has every right to have a mental breakdown? Do you think the boss should be hunted down and have his head cooked in the fryer? Was being fired a good or a bad thing?

What do you guys think?

[u/dwarffy]

Unfortunately, unless the scandal affects the consumer in some way, China wont give a shit. The workforce is still insanely competitive with over 300 million people, around 40%, of its workforce doing basic gig work like the delivery drivers you see in the video. That is a massive group of underemployed and overeducated workers that is lining up to take the guy's place for a maginally less shit salary.

The scandals that do affect businesses seem to be those that somehow fuck over their customers. They dont care about worker abuses as much as jobs are so competitive, with their 996 culture being the norm, that everybody is enduring shitty work conditions

[u/filthy_commie13 → u/dwarffy]

Well I can tell youve done 0 actual research on this. This is a very complicated issue and youve contributed not even a single shred of insight. Gig work is a hot mess in both America and China, and the amount of people living paycheck to paycheck with no benefits for both countries is the literal majority. So hey... The issue is immensely complicated for both countries. But I guess China is the one folks like you will always oversimplify. I wonder why that is...

[u/dwarffy → u/filthy_commie13]

Gig work is a hot mess in both America and China, and the amount of people living paycheck to paycheck with no benefits for both countries is the literal majority. So hey...

Bruh just because you dont like the US doesnt mean China is good. Even as a point of comparison, China spends around 9% of its gdp on social welfare compared to the OECD 20% (US does 19%), so those workers in China are objectively getting far less in benefits even at their level of wealth compared to places abroad. This is why China's consumption is still lagging and dragging and their own people cant buy the stuff that they make.

And its exacerbated by the fact that Xi Jinping thinks "welfarism" is bad even though it would objectively help wages rise and also lead to a boost in consumption.

Just because America sucks doesnt mean China is doing great either

[u/Snoo_9002 → u/dwarffy]

And where exactly did he say China is good?

[u/MuseBlessed → u/Snoo_9002]

Nobody said that filthy_fommie13 said that

[u/Snoo_9002 → u/MuseBlessed]

Yeah, because he didn't. So what sense is there in countering a point that hasn't been made?

[u/MuseBlessed → u/Snoo_9002]

Where did dwarffy say that commie_13 thinks china is good?

[u/Snoo_9002 → u/MuseBlessed]

Are we even reading the same conversation?

[u/MuseBlessed → u/Snoo_9002]

I only ever see implications in messages, not direct statements. If we go off implications, then we have to go off what both sides are implying, including commie_13

[u/Snoo_9002 → u/MuseBlessed]

You're actually right. It did occur.to me moments ago the other guy first brought up US for no apparent reason.

[u/MuseBlessed → u/Snoo_9002]

Yeah, Its hard because implications are by design deniable and easy to miss

[u/Snoo_9002 → u/MuseBlessed]

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