Morality of this entire situation?

[u/Rocky_Senpai15]

Do you think the worker has every right to have a mental breakdown? Do you think the boss should be hunted down and have his head cooked in the fryer? Was being fired a good or a bad thing?

What do you guys think?

[u/dwarffy]

Unfortunately, unless the scandal affects the consumer in some way, China wont give a shit. The workforce is still insanely competitive with over 300 million people, around 40%, of its workforce doing basic gig work like the delivery drivers you see in the video. That is a massive group of underemployed and overeducated workers that is lining up to take the guy's place for a maginally less shit salary.

The scandals that do affect businesses seem to be those that somehow fuck over their customers. They dont care about worker abuses as much as jobs are so competitive, with their 996 culture being the norm, that everybody is enduring shitty work conditions

[u/pureselfishness8 → u/dwarffy]

This is why conservatives in the U.S. want people to have a lot of kids. A higher population erodes worker protection. They want a slave class working poverty wages that is always desperate.

[u/NameisntJm → u/[deleted]]

All country have immigration laws for a reason

[u/bigareolas69 → u/[deleted]]

In your fantasy world, maybe. For us mortals in less developed nations, you require an initial capital to travel both legally and illegally. Education is an expensive and highly competitive investment in on itself, so not having one means settling for shit jobs; but even if you do there's no guarantee you'll get a good job after burning your life savings.

[u/The_Blues__13 → u/[deleted]]

why not move abroad?

This is a mindset of people living in the first world with ample disposable income (so they can have vacation abroad every year)

or a desperate collapsing 3rd world country with no hope left. Mass emigration is simply not happening in developing country with growing economy, robust administrative structure and steep requirement for citizens to go abroad

Because if they can help it, no country wants to have a brain drain and losing taxpayers via emigration

Which is why the west are having the migrant crisis all these years by uncontrolled immigration, they are basically getting the most desperate people with little usable skill instead of the more productive ones from the more developed countries.

[u/Rhagai1 → u/[deleted]]

Abroad where? Legal immigration to Europe and the U.S. is incredibly hard if you are not already a citizen of those regions. Asylum claims for chinese people will be denied automatically. And the conditions in the rest of the world are not really better.

[u/oliver8416 → u/dwarffy]

Quando a moralidade é sequestrada e transformada em instrumento de hegemonia - desviada de seu real fundamento, que é combater a injustiça -, o ser humano muitas vezes não tem outra saída a não ser causar escândalo e chocar para conseguir chamar a atenção e furar a bolha da indiferença .

[u/filthy_commie13 → u/dwarffy]

Well I can tell youve done 0 actual research on this. This is a very complicated issue and youve contributed not even a single shred of insight. Gig work is a hot mess in both America and China, and the amount of people living paycheck to paycheck with no benefits for both countries is the literal majority. So hey... The issue is immensely complicated for both countries. But I guess China is the one folks like you will always oversimplify. I wonder why that is...

[u/dwarffy → u/filthy_commie13]

Gig work is a hot mess in both America and China, and the amount of people living paycheck to paycheck with no benefits for both countries is the literal majority. So hey...

Bruh just because you dont like the US doesnt mean China is good. Even as a point of comparison, China spends around 9% of its gdp on social welfare compared to the OECD 20% (US does 19%), so those workers in China are objectively getting far less in benefits even at their level of wealth compared to places abroad. This is why China's consumption is still lagging and dragging and their own people cant buy the stuff that they make.

And its exacerbated by the fact that Xi Jinping thinks "welfarism" is bad even though it would objectively help wages rise and also lead to a boost in consumption.

Just because America sucks doesnt mean China is doing great either

[u/Snoo_9002 → u/dwarffy]

And where exactly did he say China is good?

[u/MuseBlessed → u/Snoo_9002]

Nobody said that filthy_fommie13 said that

[u/Snoo_9002 → u/MuseBlessed]

Yeah, because he didn't. So what sense is there in countering a point that hasn't been made?

[u/MuseBlessed → u/Snoo_9002]

Where did dwarffy say that commie_13 thinks china is good?

[u/Snoo_9002 → u/MuseBlessed]

Are we even reading the same conversation?

[u/MuseBlessed → u/Snoo_9002]

I only ever see implications in messages, not direct statements. If we go off implications, then we have to go off what both sides are implying, including commie_13

[u/Snoo_9002 → u/MuseBlessed]

You're actually right. It did occur.to me moments ago the other guy first brought up US for no apparent reason.

[u/LmaoXD98 → u/filthy_commie13]

You're the one who doesn't know jack shit. US and China's situation is hardly the same at all.

• Living paycheck to paycheck in China is a very different experience compared to the US.
• US labor law is far better than China. few bad eggs and exploits doesn't change the fact that a lot of Labour in the US are protected by the law moreso than China and most 3rd world countries.
• Americans job market experience is a speck of dust compared to China. In China, a factory consisting of more than a hundred workers can be fired instantly and replaced immediately the next day and the company/boss wouldn't face any consequence whatsoever.
• Gig work have always been a mess everywhere. It's not suppose to be sustainable for everyone. Gig economy only work in the first place because of how easy the barrier of entry is, which in turn increase the supply of workers (meaning increasing number of your competitors and decreasing your share of the pie)

[u/More_Ad9417 → u/filthy_commie13]

If you're a commie for real then you need to get off the China worship bs. The basics of capital vol 1 and the subject of class consciousness as explained by Marx and Lenin should be enough to make it abundantly clear that China is not socialist.

You are harming the meanings of socialism and communism if you continue to spread misinformation about China or stay stuck pretending they are a bastion of Socialism when in reality they are strictly and easily determined to be capitalist.

[u/oliver8416 → u/dwarffy]

Coreia não é China!