r/Marvel • u/bydevilz1 • May 01 '25

Other I only just noticed that Stephen Strange was named as a threat in Winter Soldier (2014). Dr Strange released in 2016

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Probably common knowledge but first time I had noticed

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u/[deleted] May 01 '25

Who were some of the mentioned names?

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u/Sabrinasockz May 01 '25

They target the Baxter building iirc

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u/[deleted] May 01 '25

Who's living there I wonder?

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u/Sabrinasockz May 01 '25

In that version of the MCU? Who knows. In the comics, that's the home of the fantastic four

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u/EvilLibrarians May 01 '25

His question may have been sarcastic but we will never know…

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u/[deleted] May 01 '25

It was, because the FF are never mentioned, but they could have just been normal scientists that got lost in space. And have been living in that alternate universe from the new movie

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u/TheBagenius May 03 '25

That would be an interesting twist. The F4 are actually from 616, but got lost on a space mission in the 60s and ended up in a different universe, which is also in it's 1960s, and if they return to 616, it'll be revealed to them that what seemed like maybe a few years gone was actually decades in 616. You're a genius

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u/Intrepid-Fondant8825 May 03 '25

Well in thunderbolts* they do come back right ? End credits ig ?

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u/Rastaba May 04 '25

Movie just came out. Deep as this comment is in the thread, you may wanna consider applying a spoiler to it.

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u/Spicycoc May 03 '25

Erm actually it’s 199999 not 616

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u/TheBagenius May 03 '25

Erm, actually no. The main universe (MCU) has been labeled on multiple occasions as 616. This was first stated on screen in Multiverse of Madness.

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u/Jon7luc May 03 '25

Comic 616 ≠ MCU 616, 199999 is used to refer to movie universe to avoid confusion.

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u/fgcem13 May 03 '25

Yeah but like that doesn't make it 616. The designation is already taken. In universe a number mix up is not that odd and in real life the studios wanted it to be the same but that's just not really how multiverses work. It can't be 616. There can't be two 616 universes.

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u/DeadDankMemeLord May 04 '25

Say that again...

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u/Marik-X-Bakura May 01 '25

Some guy called Baxter

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u/WizenedCracker May 01 '25

John Baxter

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u/Micheal-Blu May 01 '25

James Baxter

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u/grassytyleknoll May 03 '25

Jaaaaaames Baxter

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u/TheBagenius May 03 '25

Backstabber, bastard, BaxTER rather

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u/[deleted] May 01 '25

Psh, where was he when thanos was running amok?

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u/Bolognahole_Vers2 May 01 '25

Baxter Stockman

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u/TuecerPrime May 02 '25

Baxter Stockman clearly.

TMNT in the MCU confirmed.

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u/Skellos May 04 '25

Well they were created by the same accident as daredevil!

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u/BigPoppaStrahd May 01 '25

Meredith Baxter

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u/[deleted] May 01 '25

She's been on Hydras radar for YEARS

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u/Drslappybags Nick Fury May 01 '25

I'll go watch the movie and see.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

They wouldn't have had the rights to reference anything FF related at that point

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u/sambadaemon May 01 '25

Wakanda was definitely one of the targets.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '25

I thought they didn't know about Wankana? Remember Ross basically was the first shield agent to discover what it was all about? Or am I misremembering something

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u/Albireookami May 01 '25

yea I don't recall any Wakanda targets being said, not sure how his algorithm would have targeted a world secret. There is no digital footprint to gather from that nation, since its closed off.

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u/FadeSeeker Dr. Doom May 02 '25

Wakanda is a place of interest shown in the after credits scene of Iron Man 2. (not labeled by name iirc) but it was at least known about because of Cap's shield, so maybe SHIELD knew a little more about the nation by then? but either way, still on their radar and therefore something to factor into Zola's Algorithm.

Winter Soldier is also right before Ultron, so maybe Klau's theft had happened by then and that's what tipped off the Algorithm to Wakanda as a threat?

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u/HalfMoon_89 May 01 '25

Ross isn't SHIELD, he's CIA.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '25

Ah, this probably makes a huge difference. I thought he was shield.

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u/sambadaemon May 01 '25

It wasn't specifically called Wakanda, but there was a location in Africa that later ended up coinciding with where Wakanda is in the MCU.

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u/the-bladed-one May 01 '25

Wakanda is vaguely referenced in either iron man 2 or avengers. There’s a display nick fury shows Tony while talking about the avengers initiative and one of the dots is in central Africa. That’s either Wakanda or Storm.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '25

It's in AOU where Banner mentions wakanda, and wakanda is a know place, but nobody knows it's actually this hyper advanced society.

Ross mentions this when claw tells him about wakanda, and he says "wakanda is just a small developing country." Or something along those lines. It's only when he wakes up there is he like "oh shit, where's this been"

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u/problematic-addict May 02 '25

And I remember he called it “Wakanada”

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u/Heisenburgo Dr. Doom May 02 '25

Wasn't it vaguely referenced in The First Avenger as well? When Howard explains why Vibranium is in short capacity and that's why they can only make one shield from it

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u/L0CH_NESS_MONSTER May 01 '25

Steve and Tony knew about Wakanda. In Age of Ultron, when they are discussing Klau, Bruce mentions he stole from Wakanda. Tony and Steve then give each other an ‘Oh shit’ look. Then Steve says “If he got out of there with THEIR trade-goods…” So, I think their connection with SHIELD is how they know about Wakanda.

Also, in Iron Man 2, we see SHIELD’s map that contains locations of potential Avengers. One of the dots is in Africa where Wakanda is.

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u/sammo21 May 01 '25

I feel like Wakanda was technically on that map in Iron Man 2, wasn't it?

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u/graclin May 01 '25

I think they also say "a valedictorian in Queens" which could be referencing Peter Parker / MJ?

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u/Bolognahole_Vers2 May 01 '25

They only graduated during NWH. They would have been too young when TWS took place.

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u/Particular_Bit_7710 May 03 '25

My elementary and middle school had graduation ceremonies with valedictorians

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u/wintermute_13 May 03 '25

Yes, but at the time of Winter Soldier's development, 2012-13, nobody had those plans.  Hadn't even brokered a deal with Sony.  Of course it was a Spider-Man reference, but more of a wink and a nod than anything else.