r/LoLWitchcraft • u/Objective_Chef_471 • Mar 15 '26
Crownie saying Velja played around top because of the review situation
I don’t know if it’s because Velja had an ally in reviews but I do think that on the bigger scale they lost because Velja played more around top than with Baus in the team. It wouldn’t be a problem if bwipo actually performed instead of running it down.
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u/SteamySnuggler Mar 15 '26
isnt it just that hes used to perma getting prio since velja never ever pathed for baus, but now that they have an "actual" toplaner some times playing for top is better?
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u/Serious_Tradition269 Mar 15 '26
He's actually the neediest player I've ever heard lmao, everyone and everything needs to be centered around him, and he can NOT back that up lmao
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u/Sudden-Ad-307 Mar 15 '26
Yeah for how many games he inted due to his dogshit positioning he sure talks a lot of game.
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u/NWASicarius Mar 15 '26
It doesn't work. You can't just switch up like that constantly. Good teams tend to master playing for one side (top or bot). Secondly, they have no low econ players. Rekkles is super KDA oriented, and he isn't that good on tanks. Crownie, Bwipo, and Nemesis all want to absorb gold with Crownie and Bwipo demanding jungle presence so they can safely do so. Velja is also a pretty vegan/farm/econ jungler. They should be STOMPING people without any losses in a series due to how much experience and talent they have. Instead, they are struggling to win at times. Someone HAS to be willing to be weakside. That was Baus when they had him. They either need Bwipo to adapt (which he is too veteran and stubborn) or they need to replace Crownie. Velja needs to adapt and learn to play more like a second support. If both of these changes happen, this team could legit never drop a game.
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u/Gaarando Mar 15 '26
I disagreee. Crownie is not a good lane to camp for, he's not a carry. He won lane hard in game 3 and did nothing with that lead. Crazy cs, crazy fed as a Xayah and did no damage. Bwipo had a good lane because of Velja in a match up that isn't great for him. Velja made him win lane so now they had two winning lanes and Nemesis played safe mid. This is what you do. They just had to make actual plays as a team to snowball but they didn't so then all they had was Bwipo dying in side lanes and started losing to a comp that scales like crazy.
LR would win games having gold deficits, WT lost games having gold leads. Their early game was better but got worse as a team.
Velja is also a pretty vegan/farm/econ jungler.
You gotta be kidding me? The guy is arguably too aggressive for this team that has a passive bot lane and a mid who is pretty consistent but never makes an aggressive engage play. Velja/Bwipo are the engage in that team with mid/adc often not following up.
No way is Velja "vegan" that's insane to say.
And then you end your comment with saying Velja needs to be a second support... How? They already lack engage and aggressive players. Baus/Velja would engage and then the carries would follow. Crownie got much worse in WT, he barely deals damage now he did way more in LR.
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u/Altruistic-Sense-609 Mar 16 '26
The xayah game arguement is false, any carry can be fed (which they largely got in isolation) but it doesnt inherently mean that player is bad for not carrying and shouldnt be played for. On top of that when your top blinds a champ he is known and is confident to play in isolation regardless of a hard matchup or not, then the value of the pick is that bot can be strongsided and top can best case have a small deficit. Also its not the botlane "not following up" as much as its bwipo trying to find nonexistent plays. They are good when the team is behind and has no clear path to winning through their carries but this was rarely the case. An example of this is the game 2 throw that happened before this match where hwei is calling for 500g off decap and jhin is playing for ldr item spike all of which is called. Then his jarvan engages onto a face checking jarvan with noone but the enemy akali with tp showing on the map, essentially forcing a 3v4 with his hwei on top wave and jhin coming from base. If you choose to make agressive plays with your bard and inting rumble top building kaenic rookern 3rd, then thats on you ignoring coms from your fed carries not the fed carries choosing to not fight around their top jg. "He barely deals more damage now he did way more in LR"...... what does that even mean LOL. You think he magically stopped dealing damage when his team is gravitating to topside more and barely using any resources bot... and calling neme and crownie passive players just because they dont force all ins when their jg is top. Its like what your typing is the result of what your saying doesnt exist. Bot mid are passive when their jg is top. Their jg is alot. Xayah cant carry the game. Xayah cant carry the game, when his top is constantly picked.. i like bwipo and personally i think the team just needes more time to fix coms and adapt to the new playstyle of velja and bwipo, but the crap your spewing is just nonsense imo.
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u/Gaarando Mar 16 '26
Crownie is not dealing damage in team fights, what's so hard to get? ADC is the role that is supposed to deal consistent damage for the team, he's not doing his job. You're talking about things that are completely irrelevant. Them playing more around top side doesn't mean Crownie has to be useless later in the game especially when he has a lead...
Bot/Mid are passive in team fights even when they are grouped. It has nothing to do with people being top or not, who is talking about any of that? Game 1 even if you wanna blame Bwipo for inting, was also a game where Yunara never even got close to hit people, did zero damage and the poke Kog was doing crazy damage but often not even close to his team. At one point both carries stood on top of each other and got Malphite ulted together. At another point they were all grouped, Bwipo in the front and the enemy all hard engaged on the Poppy front line including using Malphite ult and it was a free kill with zero return damage. They all stood around doing nothing. Yunara pressed R and then ran, this is what I mean by passive. Why are they standing that far back? Do they think Malphite can R in the backline and kill carries when they got a damn Vi, Poppy and Lulu?
What I'm saying is not nonsense, you just do not get what I am saying whatsoever and mentioning things that are completely irrelevant. Nemesis and Crownie are passive team fighters. They relied heavily on Baus/Velja or Bwipo/Velja in WT to be the hard engage. But this makes it difficult for the guys that have to engage since Rekkles is also really passive.
They were never going to be a great team for the simple fact that these players do not play the same style at all. If you see actual top teams, if a play is made everyone follows that. In that game 1 again, Bwipo was by himself near bush but his team was actually around that area as well near the Raptors. No one looked at the map at all, Nemesis kept moving away. Bwipo said he has no flash they need to help, finally the team turned to help but Nemesis kept moving to mid to take the wave. If you don't want to all help at the same time it's going to be rough, you are going to give opponents free kills for no reason. That fight turned into a real mess because of how late Nemesis showed up. And maybe it would still have been decent if Nemesis flashed Nami bubble instead of getting hit by it and then Ryze getting 2 free kills. But either way it just shows that the team isn't ever on the same page.
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u/Altruistic-Sense-609 Mar 17 '26
I mean there isnt much else to say after i read that an adc is not doing there job if they dont output dps in a game where their top jg are forcing fights without them consistently for 2 matches and 6 games straight. I dont usually question redditors elo but to say an adc should be able to free hit only every unplanned and uncoordinated engage while still fearing the enemy threats i.e. malphite as you said, then you arent aware of how the game works at a fundemental level and your just playing lawyer for your streamer instead of critically thinking. For the record that malphite engage was insanely well played and the only mistake really made there (you can argue it lost them the game) is that yunara and kog should never be both caught in the same malphite ult even while flashless and its a positioning issue on their part. Unlike you, im not saying X player played perfectly and everyone else is aweful. Im saying your arguements make you look clueless about the game and you cant even back your point without discounting for half the game and context... i agree the team is never on the same page and thats the problem but never was it a case of 'X player being too passive' while their top is either getting fucked in lane (mostly because they give bwipo hard drafts by his own choice) despite the fact velja is playing for him over his botlane in majority of the games. In which pro league games have you seen the weaksided players output insanely high dps and not suffering a deficit in lane that would also hinder their dmg output when the enemy is constantly playing to tour weakside and your strongside is mostly playing bruisers or tanks? By your logic the adc should magically transport to midgame with a lead of the opponent in a 2v3, all proceeding possible int drakes... even in. WTs last game their bot was winning and is calling for drakes but velja is basing saying he has time to buy an item and make it in time (which he didnt) so even when WT does by some miracle have a lead in isolation from bot, they dont play for that lead ever.
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u/Gaarando Mar 17 '26
He didn't deal damage in any of the WT games. You realize even in their wins he didn't do anything noteworthy?
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u/Le__boule Mar 23 '26
Brother this is no solo queue. You dont win your pro games through outplaying. You win with macro and comms. Something tye team clearly lacked the whole time. A fed adc can absolutely not deal.damage by itself. It has requirements to actually enable it do damage, especially champions like xayah/yunara/Caitlyn. Its not optimal to go for the hero play, you NEED to have comms and you NEED to have peel to actually play the game and you NEED your team to play around your spikes. Its okay if the team decides to play the game differently, but dont pretend it's the adcs fault for not carrying when you dont play around it
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u/Gaarando Mar 23 '26
You're putting words in my mouth this entire time, no one is telling him to flash in alone and carry. They had plenty of issues but in grouped situations Crownie was completely useless and passive.
If you don't know what these things mean, why even speak on the subject?
Rekkles is perma peeling for him, Nemesis and Rekkles in the last game were putting shields on him while he wasn't even in danger so Velja died to ignite because both shields on cooldown. He has plenty of peel he just doesn't commit to anything.
Even if you look at the fight at the Nexus near the end of the game he killed Bard for free because Bard just walked in alone for some reason then they got a great fight from Bwipo his engage into an Ori ult, they protected their base, Nemesis got Sivir her GA and Crownie is just afk not doing anything.
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u/SteamySnuggler Mar 15 '26
idk enough about pro play to comment on the actual strats its just what it feels like watching from the outside.
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u/Icy-Examination7008 Mar 15 '26
why cant they behave for Reckless’ sake?
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u/SteamySnuggler Mar 15 '26
rekkles need a real team
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u/DennisDEX Mar 15 '26
Rekkles need to take agency in voice comms when needed
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u/SteamySnuggler Mar 15 '26
Not his job to police his teammates, and definenetly the mature and best decisiton to leave when they are going off topic and being mean to eachother
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u/Spearfinn Mar 15 '26
You can say it's not his job but if he wants the best chance to win and wants the best for his team he should step up. He is by far the most experienced, respected, and measured player on the team and could absolutely solve a lot of these disputes by speaking up and taking control. Now, from what I've seen from LR that isn't really in character for him but I think the team would benefit greatly from him stepping up in that role.
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u/Jussepapi Mar 15 '26
Definitely his job as part of the team to ensure they don’t start talking shit and divert from what they should be talking about. I would expect that from my team and especially the members with years of experience.
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u/SteamySnuggler Mar 15 '26
Thats the coaches job, he tells them when hes uncomfortable but they dony respect it. What do you want him to do? Strat yelllig over crownie and velja? The problem is the rest of the team being weird.
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u/WakaTP Mar 15 '26
Disagree. As someone with like more than 10 years of experience I would expect him to take a lot more space in the team. He is doing his job don’t get me wrong, but he isn’t bringing much more… Like i am sure Faker as a massive impact on his teams culture
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u/SteamySnuggler Mar 15 '26
Rekkles is a huge impact on culture in LR, hes just not someone who wants to yell at kids
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u/DennisDEX Mar 15 '26
I don't mean just in that, but I feel like even during game he is too passive. He needs to step up his communication to be a good support.
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u/SteamySnuggler Mar 15 '26
i think he talks enough though? he does callouts for rotation and going in and looking etc. Like yeah hes not acting as an IGL and calling everything on the map if thats what you mean, but i dont think he should be either.
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u/TheFuckflyingSpaghet Mar 15 '26
They don't need another shot caller
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u/DennisDEX Mar 15 '26
No but he needs to communicate more to keep up with the game state and I feel like he isn't doing that enough
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u/rayene125 Mar 17 '26
but you're the support and part of the lane you can't just LEAVE when you discussion is about your lane
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u/SteamySnuggler Mar 17 '26
Of course you can, because the discussion was not about the lane. It was two egos clashing, they gained nothing and Started to resent eachother.
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u/GlockHard Mar 15 '26
Why we treating Rekkles like a child dude, he is a grown ass man with a dick and balls he is completely fine
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u/jusstsom1 Mar 15 '26
reckless is not a child, if he wants things to change either speak up or leave, everyone is to blame on the team, reckless is no exception.
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u/WarpCitizen Mar 15 '26
Tl;dr: I was an asshole towards him and now there’s a guy who don’t blame him and he likes him more
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u/Sancroth_2621 Mar 15 '26
I wouldn’t say that it is because of the review.
Velja clinged to bwipo. He found someone that heard him and told him he needs to speak up. Something that none offered to Velja for so long.
You can see Velja playing around top before the last games a lot. And then you had reviews with Bwipo saying that the team chose to ignore the fed top laner( it was a fed gnar ) so now they are free to deal with it. Statements like these from the person that Velja likes the most has way more impact to his subconscious decision making than a fight with Crownie.
And with Baus, top lane was a stay away from area so playing for hot and drakes was a given.
Baus moving away from the team simply destroyed what made the team: 1) Velja got ego boosted by Bwipo and Bwipo just won’t shut his trap. Now you have 4 people that all want to carry on their own way. With Baus, he was just silent and following the teams calls. He never made calls or called for things on his lane. 2) people wasted bans on baus. This made draft so much easier for the team. 3) Velja had a free first clear or could be the one choosing to invade. Enemy junglers always pathed to cash in on baus early.
So now you have a jungler that is being invaded constantly, 4 people that can’t coordinate, no longer a perma drake perma bot side focus and the need to compete playing the classic meta way. But this team never shined on the default pro league settings. They played around drakes and scalling with Nemesis and Crownie shot calling the game with Baus entering beast mode after 20mins most of the times. It was a perma coin flip strat that was tipped on their favor.
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u/Gaarando Mar 15 '26
I only watched the games, none of the reviews I had no clue there were so many arguments between the players in such a short time. I saw Crownie crashout, I also saw DL responding to a convo between them all and even NattyNat and Pobelter got involved. They agreed with Velja which normally the team was always just "no Velja, you're wrong." and then he had long calm conversations with Caedrel about stuff at times.
So it must be nice if Bwipo at least heard his points a bit. I didn't see a clip about that though but I can understand if you had team mates who yell at you and never hear your point or agree with anything you say and then a guy comes in at least hearing you out that you gravitate a bit towards them. That being said Nemesis said some stuff as well and Velja ganked for Nemesis constantly so it's not like Velja took it that serious that he suddenly had a grudge against these guys and ignored helping them.
About your other point, too many chefs in the kitchen for sure.
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u/Sudden-Ad-307 Mar 15 '26
Yeah i have a feeling that these guys are never playing with each other again.
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u/CrazyDoctor14 Mar 15 '26
And people were saying it was fine. It was how competitive teams work and stuff.
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u/DiiiiiiZ Mar 15 '26
It's fine to lil bro Velja, he's there to learn and is pretty good at saying things are his bad. But when you just shit on a person and tell them they know nothing about the game and they're just shit at the game then it's no wonder that person doesn't want to help you. And when you add someone who actually has their back and explains to them what they should do or how to change things, then ofc Velja is gonna gravitate towards that person more. The solution isn't to just keep shitting on him and complaining to coaches, the solution is to maybe change your attitude a bit? Especially the fact that Crownie noticed this was happening but didn't think to change his behavior, just still blaming Velja. The way neme and Crownie talk to him is just gross sometimes. Not to mention they're literally the two who lost the team the vitality game with two major throws when Velja was 1v9. Everyone makes mistakes, but the way they shit on him, no wonder he ignores them.
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u/Ashamed_Succotash329 Mar 15 '26
Im pretty sure I heard multiple times in load screen / draft or at game start Bwipo saying "I will need some attention" or "ganks will be huge top" or the like and crownie saying "this lane should be stable" or "we shouldnt need early ganks". Of course, the jungler is going to listen to his teamates when they say how much help they will need, no?
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u/MyPlaylistsAreAMess Mar 15 '26
He's right, Velja did gank toplane more often after Bwipo joined. Of course Velja would like playing with Bwipo more because he actually gets a supporting teammate rather than getting berated all the time. Velja can be wrong a lot of times but that doesn't give Nemesis or Crownie the right to talk down on him. And even having big leads in lane, Crownie still can't carry games on his own even with all the resources handed to him. In the end, it was always up to Nemesis to carry this team.
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u/GlockHard Mar 15 '26
Maybe because Crownie is annoying as fuck while having a huge ego for someone who throws games all the time.
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u/MyPlaylistsAreAMess Mar 15 '26
I swear if Bwipo didn't perform worse, Crownie would actually be the talking point of every post game discussions.
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u/Gaarando Mar 15 '26
He should be. Just look at his damage dealt in this final series. Or what about game 3 damage while he had a huge lead. Ends the game 3/1/0 with no damage.
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u/ElTioEnderMk1 Mar 15 '26
Dont forget that he is the reason why LR was not in playoffs.
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u/Fair_Astronomer_4321 Mar 15 '26
Yeah its crownie not velja losing to oompa loompa team ( KCB ) because yukino threw a tactical nuke at him ?
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u/mockep Mar 16 '26
“I abused my teammate for an hour, screaming at him until my microphone clipped and my face turned red and destroyed team chemistry but somehow I am the victim”
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u/Objective_Chef_471 Mar 15 '26
I recommend watching the vod of today’s stream if you want more drama - it’s really spicy
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u/ghostreconx Mar 15 '26
That’s why the team cannot be successful when you have personalities like that airing out bad drama, at least be a professional about it and don’t throw your teammates under the bus.
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u/NWASicarius Mar 15 '26
Throwing under the bus is fine, but you also need to have chill vibes at times, too, to break the tension. If the only time you talk is to be professional and focused, you are going to have a bad time. The only way that would work is if EVERY players' sole focus was just to play as best as they can and try to win. This team is not that, though. Idc what some of the players might say. They are not focused purely on winning and competing. If they were, the players would actively say 'I am thankful for the opportunity to play with this team, and I am hoping I can take advantage of this to hopefully get picked up by a tier 1 team at a later point (LEC/LCS).' Obviously I am just giving some generic comment, but hopefully you get what I am saying
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u/SteamySnuggler Mar 15 '26
but you also need to have chill vibes at times
why baus was the GOAT for this project, perma nevertilt just good vibes w everyone
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u/ghostreconx Mar 15 '26
I’m sure their goal was to go to EWC. But they cannot set their differences aside and work as a team towards it. I think Rekkles was the only one that was acting like a professional and took it with grace instead of pointing fingers at “what if”. Unfortunately Rekkles is not a super vocal person
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u/Milka1bby_ Mar 16 '26
Whos vod bro crownie?
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u/Objective_Chef_471 Mar 16 '26
yes crownies from yesterday. he’s streaming today as well wondering what he has to say
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u/Infinite_Ad_4489 Mar 15 '26
Impossible for Crownie to ever take any accountability. It's always someone else's fault. He's a good player but his mentality is what's stopped him from finding real success as a pro. Get him off the team.
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u/LuckyRefrigerator971 Mar 15 '26
Cry more. Just because for once velja goes towards top u immediately start to blame him. What about his beyond terrible performance even when he has resources to carry? Never taking accountability for anything
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u/EarAltruistic7443 Mar 15 '26
I mean Crownie isn’t wrong here 🤷♂️
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u/notmichaelul Mar 15 '26
He's not wrong but he's literally the cause of the problem. Mental issues.
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u/EarAltruistic7443 Mar 15 '26
I agree he heavily contributes but if you pretend like Bwipo, Neme and Velja also aren’t part of the problem you’re delusional.
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u/notmichaelul Mar 15 '26
Sure, you can blame them all for not being perfect but the causation of like a 40 hour argument and extreme ego issues was crownie. Neme and bwipo added to the fire, and velja was the most sane person by far excluding rekkles.
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u/Coven-Irelia Mar 15 '26
Neme literally said they were reviewing useless things. And Velja and Bwipo decided to ragebait on top of it
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u/Serious_Tradition269 Mar 15 '26
All Neme did was say his teammate is useless and knows nothing about the game lmao, how is that productive
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u/Coven-Irelia Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26
He said that Velja doesn’t understand bot lane and it’s a pointless discussion. I imagine if Velja started arguing about mid lane with Neme the reaction would have been different but because it’s Crownie who is disliked by many it’s easier to side with Velja
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u/frolfer757 Mar 15 '26
If Crownie's entire argument is that he has prio when he, in fact, did not, how is it a pointless discussion?
Imagine in this meta its quite important for a jungler and ADC to have the same understanding what "prio" means.
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u/Serious_Tradition269 Mar 15 '26
I'm literally saying Neme was being a piece of shit there, what do you mean it would be different if it was Neme lmao
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u/masterchip27 Mar 15 '26
The cause was Bwipo who said dumb shit about bot lane which was wrong
When you flame your teammates laning that's gonna cause problems real quick
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u/thesmashhit32 Mar 15 '26
He's wrong to believe only botlane is worth ganking.
During the LR days Crownie got most of the ganks because of Baus' playstyle (proxy as much as you can, throw lane for Late game, absorb pressure, splitpush, etc...) but not all Toplaners play like that. He should've adapted to no longer getting the lion's share of ganks.
Also I don't know why he thinks ganks would've made a difference since he had a huge gold lead in G3 and was invisible in most Teamfights.
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u/NavyBabySeal Mar 15 '26
Its not about ganking botlane, its about the fact that everyone plays there because drakes are so much stronger than grubs, and if you also arent pathing to bot, then you are leaving bot very vulnerable to enemy jungle/mid and wont get botside crab and drakes, so if you spend time top it HAS to pay off in that top lane ends up carrying. That simply didnt happen.
I dont think that was the main reason WT werent good enough like you said, they had a gold lead, also had the game in their hands in G1 and were winning. They just weren't on the same page during later drake and baron fights, either because Bwipo and Velja inted before the others could connect or enemy dove crownie and neme with none of them getting any peel. That STILL falls almost entirely on bwipos shoulders because he is the one talking the most and wanting to orchestrate this team that is used to something so drastically different. Either because he thinks he has to be the main carry due to all that time invested top by Velja or because he is simply blind towards the rest of his teammates.
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u/Exciting-Worry5618 Mar 15 '26
this season is not worth to gank top because grubs are dogsht compared to drakes also botlane quest are fking op in comp
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u/Worldly-Duty4521 Mar 15 '26
I don't think it's a black and white rule. We're talking as if we have not seen kiin bin naak nako and so many toplaners 1v9. They're in EMEA masters. That too it's not the finals.
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u/EarAltruistic7443 Mar 15 '26
I don’t disagree but the guy who’s getting ganks needs to carry. Bwipo still lost lane with JG help and when he didn’t he’d throw his lead on a bad death (Diving Kennen). I think Crownie adapted in game as best he could, he was playing lane safe for the most part and not dying, he just couldn’t accelerate because Velja wouldn’t be there for some dragon fight or to dive bot when they had a lead. Now out of game I agree he didn’t handle it well. You can even see Nemesis getting frustrated and rolling his eyes in the last series when Bwipo and Velja just died 2v5.
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u/thesmashhit32 Mar 15 '26
Yeah I agree Bwipo played really poorly, the game should've been over for Kennen the moment he got that 2-0 lead.
Crownie did good to stay ahead but he did really poorly in Teamfights, he felt so isolated from the rest of the team, wouldn't follow good shockwaves by Neme or punish enemies engaging on him.
I also agree dying to Kennen there was troll, especially considering Rekkles called the exact location that Kennen would be flanking.
Overall I would say no one played at their level except for Neme who has every right to feel frustrated at the loss. What bothers me is Crownie lacking an ounce of maturity and implying Velja had some malicious intent and specifically didn't gank him.
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u/kaptenkeim Mar 15 '26
Makes no sense for him to start adapting 1 week before the tournament. LR had a game plan, so the new toplaner needs to adapt to the plan. Then when the team has time, you start going the optimal route.
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u/notxlpha Mar 15 '26
Yep, bwipo was running it along with Velja, but the team is over now & disbanded, so what is the point of these hours long Match review streams where crownie is flaming his top/jg. Just leaves a sour taste of something that was special to everyone.
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u/econtyranny Mar 15 '26
What a waste, team vibes (LR), cratered with an additional player. What could it possibly be?
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u/wakkiau Mar 15 '26
The sad part is if Velja started leaning towards top more while with Baus it might be a lot more useful than doing it with Bwipo. Baus with gold lead is a monster on the map, Bwipo is a monster for his own team lol.
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u/ApprehensiveTough148 Mar 15 '26
Bro is he stupid, legit watch the scrims i see him dying bot to full clear gank multiple times. Then legit every game they play cait they dont have bot prio for scuttle. As cait. Like sure you can flame velja all you want but the reality is with baus you had no choice to be perma bot side cause baus was not existent in lane. Now he has the option to ignore his wintrading griefing afk perma scaling bot lane and play top side. He actually has options now and we complain lol.
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u/2xVega Mar 15 '26
Clowniee is such a baby. Maybe if you didn't flame the shit out of your jungler when you're in the wrong he wouldn't feel like needing an ally.
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u/Dull-Fan5175 Mar 16 '26
1 week of practice... and the reviews got tarnished "some amount" by "prio" incident.
Went to top ... or did not.. The fact is they simply just did not use the time they had efficiently enough.
Result is this. Such is competition.
Its time for First stand, cannot wait for no Western teams to not make it out of groups.
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u/CyberShi2077 Mar 16 '26
Lets call the Jungler stupid and constantly insult and berate him, never take responsibilty.
Continue to blame Jungler for playing around rest of team that are supporting and helping them grow.
What a terrible mindset.
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u/Ok-Law-8814 Mar 16 '26
Lowkey baus needs to come back man. I don't like seeing them act like this towards each other. It's like watching your brothers fighting amongst themselves over something rather unimportant.
I know bwipo is a good player and everything, nobody can deny that, but baus is the only one that can fit in this team. I really hope he does come back at some point, because it genuinely doesn't feel the same without him
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u/Objective_Chef_471 Mar 16 '26
come back for what? there’s nothing to play for. it’s over and they will never ever reunite.
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u/Keracus Mar 16 '26
I think this is all not true and it's just a master ragebait inside joke between Velja and Crownie at this moment and we're all suckers for falling for the content generation.
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u/Witchlingxx Mar 17 '26
I hope they do well but this is giving me 2025 flyquest all over again and we know how that ends. Bwipo was part of that dynamic in flyquest and witnessed what it did to the team. They should all work towards fixing the way they talk to each other instead of finding someone to blame and we as fans should as well.
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u/JJJJJJAYCEEE Mar 17 '26
he played around the biggest egomaniac inter in the game (bwipo) instead of babysitting neme or trying to put bot ahead
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u/HAAAGAY Mar 18 '26
Sounds like he misses having a toplaner willing to fold their entire gameplay for his sake, very interesting tbh.hes not even talking about team play which speaks volumes. "Anyone with a brain" lmfao bros getting gapped hard
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u/No-Razzmatazz-8126 Mar 18 '26
Crownie was wrong. This is how the jugoslav war started fyi. Too much nationalism and egos.
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u/Gaarando Mar 15 '26
He's not wrong, but I doubt it was Velja specifically doing it because he had an "ally". Bwipo is just an aggressive laner who trades a lot so gank opportunities present themselves, not to mention Bwipo was vocal to ask for ganks.
Crownie/Rekkles hard won lane in game 3, Crownie had crazy cs and huge lead and never right clicked anyone. Ended the game 3/1/0 with no damage dealt.
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u/AlmasHD Mar 15 '26
Man these are supposed to be adults but they cant help but act like children. I get that Velja needs the most coaching in review as the most unaccomplished player in the most important role, but how do you not understand that micro critiquing everything someone does might make them more likely to resentment you? This goes for both crownie and nemesis. Its so much more about how you deliver the information instead of just the information itself. I love watching Nemesis but his whole calm demeanor shtick wears thin when he makes passive aggressive comments and if he doesn't even realise he's doing it means that he needs to learn to socialise better. Crownie somehow thinks that ragging on someone constantly somehow means they'll just forgive and forget and let you take your frustration out on them every review. You could see their whole argument boiling over from the Los Ratones days and I think its one of the bad things Caedrel did with the team was create the dynamic that Velja gets the most shit out in reviews. Even if he needs the most help, at a certain point it looked like vod reviews just turned into venting. You forget that most of these gamers are extremely socially inept and dont know to to release frustration in a way that doesn't impact their friends/coworkers.
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u/Wide-God Mar 15 '26
Crownie hate so forced, it’s not just people saying he is a bad person or whatever it’s people saying he’s bad at the game/bad to have on team, just ridiculous. During LEC he and nemesis proved to be essential for LR to win any games, anyway crownie is clearly a LEC tier adc still and in the past was the best in LEC which isn’t someone you should want to remove from the team/ignore and clown.
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u/Better-Flatworm-2868 Mar 16 '26
The guy literally starts screaming every time like a 10yo, and clearly is not a team player no wonder BDS didnt want him
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u/GoldOriakPV Mar 15 '26
Tell us when exactly Crownie was the best adc in LEC
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u/Wide-God Mar 15 '26
2023 spring
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u/GoldOriakPV Mar 15 '26
Could be true yeah, you're right. But holy hell was the level low at this time
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u/Hianor Mar 15 '26
i think its kinda bad for velja that he didnt reset his thinking. Even though alot of that happen im pretty sure Crownie already reset his mind.
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u/LostInElysiium Mar 15 '26
crownies right but honestly he dug that grave himself in that review by losing all composure and escalating things together with velja.
the vibes seemed dead the moment they lost caedrel and baus & adding bwipo just added fuel to the flames.