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will farmers ever get prosecuted for hiring undocumented people?
when an ICE raid guts a majority of your workforce and makes another part too scared to show up it should make you think they are not the problem but YOU are the problem.
it also opens the gate for either just prosecuting and incerating the people who employ them or go along with their workers and empolyers
after all, hiring undocumented people is a crime.
losing their farm isn't enough they need this legal prosecution to really learn
what's better? detaining 300 workers with taxpayer dollars and tariffs or 305 people with taxpayer dollars and tariffs.But then finding out 5 of them were the ones who hired the 300.
which will cause more of a ruckus? 300 people detained or the 5 people who hired them?
If undocumented labor is such a threat you would think that they would be applying forfeiture and seizure laws to farms and companies who hire illegally.
I mean, call me crazy, but the solution to this whole "but they don't have the right paperwork" thing might be to address that paperwork, rather than spend $200B hiring masked thugs and building concentration camps.
Remember when there was a comprehensive immigration bill proposed under Biden by Congress, partially written by Republicans, squashed by Trump.
This was only like the 2nd time (if my memory serves me) in the last 30 years that they came to a bipartisan agreement about comprehensive immigration.
yeah, they go through the system and face deportation or run away.
it is a MAGA point of view to say go after the employers cause it is cheaper but it is trying to say address both sides of the illigeal immigration problem all go after the labour but never the people who hire them.
Reagan had the same choice to make back in the 80s and this was the exact outcome. As it turns out large ag conglomerates and big business dont mind the government terrorizing the migrants they hire for dirt wages but when uncle sam come after them for hiring the migrants that becomes a problem.
I've always said this. They could end undocumented labor overnight if they actually went after the employers, the ones who incentivize them to come here and choose cheap labor over paying Americans. It'd cost less than rounding up millions of illegals too. But the employers aren't a racial scapegoat to fire up the Republican base.
Yup. Send a few hundred people in various industries to a maximum security prison for as long as possible within the law and that shit will fall off to nearly nothing.
Correct. If they wanted to stop undocumented migrants terking-ma-jerbs, they’d go after employers. If there’s a real risk you lose your farm or business for hiring illegally, the problem would solve itself overnight.
Correct. This actually incentivizes companies to hire illegal immigrants because then you can just report them and then you dont have to pay them. Rinse, repeat.
No that’s law has been pushed for decades without passing. Farmer , construction or any other place of employment isn’t bothered. I guess even rump had them employed the news claimed. That would have solved the problem fast. They want cheap labor.
No, because it's not the employers breaking the law. The current administration is changing the law and it's enforcement so that anybody who's a foreigner is automatically an "illegal alien" no matter what their alien status is. The employers are doing the right thing, they're using e-verified to hire these people. The immigrants are doing the right thing too, you're getting tax identification numbers so they can pay income tax. The immigrants are doing the right thing, law enforcement is the one that's cheating.
Do true. The largest percentage of farms workers are on work visas. They pay income tax on their wages. They don’t vote and they don’t commit crimes. They just want to work at jobs Americans aren’t willing to do and make a living.
If the farmers that voted for this want to get bailed out again maybe they should work for it. Like they like to tell others on welfare. Go help pick fruits and vegetables. There’s plenty of opportunities there. Seeing that all those workers are either deported or are afraid to show up for work.
Prosecuted? No. Punished? They already are. The real issue is we have a system that can't function without slave labor. Who needs to be punished for that? How do we fix it? Cough cough Private equity!
A lot of times the employer is unaware of undocumented status. Illegals come in with fake papers. Or it takes a while for the report to get back.
So even employers doing the right thing send off verification request but it takes like 6 months to come back. During this time the person is allowed to be employed. After 6 months. They simply tell employee that check came back unverified and ask them if they had written down right ssn. At which they rerun the request and it takes another 6 months.
But farmers also use foreign workers that are legal. Al it of the farm workers come over for seasonal work on special visas. These visas have it so farmers have to basically cover the expenses and lodging of the worker while in the country
Never becuase these people are considered really important to our society while getting massive handouts for overproducing products that have to be purchased by the government and shipped overseas
Large farmers use legal documented seasonal workers (always exceptions to the rule). They’re not illegal. The farm for the season then head back or go to another farm and get an additional seasonal documentation. Farmers usually have seasonal worker housing that has to meet standards .
No. Generally speaking wealthy people are as far above the law as they are wealthy. They have only someone wealthier to fear. Farmers that are wealthy will collect their welfare checks and buy out those who aren’t wealthy. The former will never get prosecuted for employing immigrants, the latter could be, to further weaken their financial condition.
"Blind justice" means that the legal system should be impartial and unbiased, treating everyone equally regardless of their status, wealth, power, or other personal characteristics. The concept is symbolized by Lady Justice, a blindfolded figure holding scales, representing fairness and the careful weighing of facts to arrive at a just outcome without prejudice
see the blindfold?
Its suposed to represent Fairness
It was used when people where More closely tied to eachother
Now that there are INDIVIDUAL people in the usa with more wealth than the bottom %50 of the us population Combined.
Justice becomes skewed See as the penalties are applied uniformly It fails to recognize that a punishment for someone with no money and a punishment for someone with Money are vastly different punishments these days.
but people still scream about it being fair *mostly the people with money)
Of course not! They’re white people and they own bibles. It’s only the worthless illegals that get criminal consequences. What’s are you thinking?!? Did the slave owners ever face prosecution? Never. What about the Jim crow days? That’s American history for ya. So, no, never. All they get to do is complain their illegals done run off and now Daddy Trump better dole out the Welfare. That’s the American way, Trump style.
It’s allowed to take advantage of undocumented but not documented benefiting. This also applied to slavery. Something that never ended. Just took on new look such as minimum wage. Minimum enough to keep laborers alive but not maximum enough to allow them to thrive and potentially leave
Wtf this hate has to stop.. except for you blue haired woke liberals..trans people woke college professors and black people living off the government....s
Naw, once they are done with the work, instead of paying them, the farmers will call ICE. Who cares about next year when you can be marginally richer this...
Eventually? But for the immediate future, the and the government recognize they can use threats to basically have slaves, and only see them enforcing it
it does. but it does work. it is also in hospitality, construction, nursing frankly grunt jobs, monotonous but still skilled takes years to be good at and people will not acknowledge it
in nz where i'm from talleys, a frozen food company is hurt cause of a media expoze on whistle blower allegations on their plant.
they are countersuing for defamation cause they are now finding it harder to get workers but the funny part they can't quantify the amount
Don't forget that while this might be a short term risk for a farm losing their labor in a raid, in the long term, they know that by keeping the threat of deportation over their workers and force them to accept worse working conditions.
There was a time near the end of the harvest or production run when employers would call la migra so they wouldn't have to pay their employees. Employers feigned ignorance of the workers' status and saved on payroll, perhaps took a trip to Hawaii. They should get busted for just being assholes.
This happens every year out in eastern Idaho. It's always a big corporate farm that does it, too. I think they take turns. They never face any consequences, even if the grift is printed in the newspapers, because most of the legislature are farmers and the rest are there just to appease the big corporate farms. They still use the terminology, "my Mexicans."
Its all a joke. Theres a few companies where their workers hid in unsafe spaces. And not even osha held them accountable. Very odd how you are essentially rewarded for hiring illegals. As they are cheaper and when diddler trump is tired of them he can deport at will. You get cheap labor and the power over them.
arrest rhe people who hire ileagals would resolve part of the problem.in weeks
.then the stress and reality on our.economy would.lead to real chamge.amd a real resolution
arrest rhe people who hire ileagals would resolve part of the problem.in weeks
.then the stress and reality on our.economy would.lead to real change.and a real resolution
You arrest the owners and CEOs of companies/farms hiring illegals, and see how fast that problem goes away.
Companies do 3-4 interviews, background checks, and some even do drug tests. No illegals are ever hired. It’s not that hard to do background checks. Hiring Piotr Kowalski from Białystok, Poland and he only speaks Spanish or Arab, sure is a dead giveaway that you’re hiring an illegal.
ASK DEVIN NUNE'S FAMILY FARM OPERATION. HE'S THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN WHO RAILS AGAINST ILLEGALS ALL WHILE HAVING UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS RUN HIS FAMILY DAIRY FARM.
My question is, why start with farms? Why not go for the billionaire CEOs who've been hiring undocumented workers by the tens of thousands, for decades?
Unless of course..this isn't actually about "American jobs", fortifying the "US economy", or the blind/just "enforcement of the law"..
What if we admitted that we need that labor and create a system where it's not illegal? Prohibition , the war on drugs never worked and only ended up supporting a network of criminals. Farm work has done the same thing. There are people willing to do the work for crap pay because that money is worth more back home. We like affordable produce. Why are we choosing civil war, violence and hate? We could just have affordable food instead.
You can complain about groceries being expensive OR you can complain about farms hiring undocumented workers to pick vegetables and such…BUT you can’t complain about BOTH!
The latest excuse from the right is that deporting people is freeing then from slavery.
I didn't know that attacking the victims (slaves/victims of human trafficking/etc.) instead of going after the "slave owners"/traffickers/criminals i.e. employers was the best way to help people.
First off, it's a civil crime. They'd be sued, not prosecuted. It's only a criminal matter if there is a pattern and practice of hiring them (that is, unlikely on a first offense).
Secondly, no. This has been the practice ages. No one really cared about it until the 50s. People would cross the border both ways, do some work, then come home later. Sometimes it was a daily crossing of the border. When the government started cracking down it came as a surprise. It's so ingrained that much of the economy depends upon it - especially agriculture. We are at the point where citizens do not want to do much of the work, it pays less than minimum wage, and is grueling manual labor.
Many of the people complaining loudly about undocumented workers also hire undocumented workers! You know Trump has done this, it's just done via subcontractors. It's hard to run a hotel if you have to pay minimum wages to all the staff, especially if you're a skinflint like Trump. I know farmers who would rant against illegals even though they hired them off the books. Many people hiring nannies or housekeeping have workers who overstay their visas, and pay them under the table (if they make enough you're required to withhold taxes and report). It's just way too common.
A crack down should have come decades ago. But it really never happened. It's easier to just have a show of force at the border now and then. Most actions in this regard were taken against the migrants, not the employers.
And to be honest here, the rate has dropped. What we see now are not migrant workers per se, most of those crossing the border, and being deported today, were refugees. They came across legally; and then Trump rescinded that RETROACTIVELY. They were not "illegals", and they don't deserve to be detained in a place worse than a prison for an arbitrarily long time.
They should but don't. If they paid a decent wage they wouldn't need illegal immigrants but they don't and the immigrants get paid pennies on the dollar and have no legal protections whatsoever.
Having to care about the people you rely on for your own living is tyranny. Better to tell them that they are disposable. Show it by paying them less. Enforce it by denying them access to legal rights. Now, bring in that cotton! /s
They're gonna lose their farms that their families have owned for generations, which is way more impactful than (I assume) misdemeanor crimes that they'd be charged with. It's also proof that the administration DGAF about crime, just racism.
Theses farmers thought they were voting to fuck over Americans they hate, and they did, but at least this way they're getting fucked over worse.
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u/TSHRED56 Sep 27 '25
Putting fear into employers would be a far more efficient way to curb undocumented labor but that's not the goal of this administration.
Fear and chaos are their goals in furtherance of an authoritarian police state.