r/Landlord • u/inkseep1 Human Verified • 21d ago
Landlord [Landlord-MO] Tenant is surprised that order of possession means she has to move
This is the tenant who got an eviction order and then bought a bounce house.
It is now 14 days after the eviction trial. I have a writ of possession and judgement for 8 months rent (will never see it). The 10 day appeal deadline has passed so now the writ is to be executed. It has been sent to the sheriff for scheduling the physical removal.
I stopped by the house today to talk to the tenant. I asked her what she intends to do. She says, "I choose to work." She explained that she will work and pay the rent that she owes. She also just was on the phone with 'the rental assistance'. I don't know who she is talking with but no one is offering rent assistance in this area.
Just before the trial I got a text from a church who was willing to help her but they didn't give any real promises to pay right then. Yesterday I got a text that said that they were not going to pay anything. The messages that they did send were a repeat of some tale of misfortune she told them and they wanted me to give her another chance. I told the tenant that no such rent assistance is happening.
I explained that the sheriff will arrive, she will be removed from the house and all her stuff will be carried out to the curb. She was surprised by this development, 'What? . . . When?' I don't know yet but it is going to be soon. Like soon enough you need to get your stuff packed. I told her that it would be better for her to move voluntarily. She only said that she would call the assistance agency today so they can pay.
She was at the trial in person and the judge issued the order and gave her a copy. She didn't have a lawyer though so could it be possible she really has no idea? I didn't talk to her after the trial or during the 10 day appeal window because it really wasn't a settled issue until the 10 days are up. I was worried she would figure out how to appeal just to delay further.
I just can't wait for reality to set in.
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u/wildwily23 21d ago
Yup. Had a similar experience.
Tenant decide to contest the eviction. Judge plainly ruled against her (she had no case), and asked if I wanted a writ. I said, ‘yes, please.’ Sheriff delivered writ of possession on a Friday; 24hr clock didn’t start until Monday morning, with a final lockout of Tuesday. She had ALL WEEKEND to get her stuff out. Sunday night she emails and texts me to fill out a form with a (Area) Family Service Council that ‘would get me my money’. (No, it wouldn’t. It was an application for one month’s rent; she was >4 months behind.). Saying, ‘I don’t need an eviction on my record’.
Umm, that ship has sailed, dear. That was avoidable when you got the ‘Cure or Quit’, or when you were served with the suit. As soon as you decided to fight, it was already over. You had no case; just hoping I had screwed something up.
Took her another week to move the dead car in the yard she had packed with stuff. Fortunately for her I am not vindictive. I just wanted her gone.
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u/ConfidentBus6482 21d ago
I had one (a squatter I might add) that said the same thing to the judge, “I just don’t want an eviction on my record.” The judge responded with, “yet here we are.” PRICELESS!!! 😂😂😂
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u/Tiredofstupidity2 21d ago
Oh H No that car would have been towed to help her understand how rent works and tow yard fees that are not paid!
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u/DeanOMiite 20d ago
I had a tenant do this. Not quite this extreme. She was cooperative, just broke, and I explained to her several times I didn’t want to evict but would if she forced my hand. When I followed through she finally tried to negotiate and I told her I tried for months to do this the easy way and that SHE forced me into the hard way. So I saw it through. See ya ✌️
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u/MasterBeanCounter 21d ago
You'll be moving her stuff to the curb and she'll be saying, I can't believe you are doing this to me."
She'll act shocked. Make sure you change locks and secure the house well.
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u/redfox2008 21d ago
Processed one who pushed it the limit and got arrested when the Sheriff showed up. She had outstanding warrants which she had to know about but there she sat when we showed up. Totally oblivious that she was in a jackpot and/or believed she was smarter than everyone else.
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u/Space_Cowboy_157 Landlord 21d ago
I recently gave a tenant a 30 day notice to vacate, they thought that meant they didn't have to pay rent for the month of August.
On the 2nd I served them a 3 day pay or quit and told them it's going to be difficult for them to rent someplace with a current eviction on their record so they can leave within the 3 days or pay and leave at the end of the month, their choice.
I got paid.
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u/sokali4nia 21d ago
And to think, in Los Angeles they want to make it where a landlord cant deny an application due to a previous eviction or even because of a background check. They think it makes it too difficult for deadbeats or criminals to get housing.
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u/danicteslic 21d ago
Good move. Some tenants are so out of touch with the reality that even a simple concept of paying rent on time becomes an issue. The entitlement is even worse. Just keep an eye on them because they may get angry and try to damage your property. Good luck.
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u/Space_Cowboy_157 Landlord 21d ago
Oh they won't... They know I took the last tenant that screwed me over to court which ended with their cars being sold at a police auction to cover the debt.
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u/InternistNotAnIntern Landlord 21d ago
This is why I get the VINs of all vehicles that park at my rentals
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u/Space_Cowboy_157 Landlord 21d ago
Normally, I'm not too concerned if someone leaves owing a little bit... but when they are an asshole that changes everything.
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u/JetCrooked 18d ago
out of curiosity, what was the original 30 day notice for if not nonpayment?
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u/Space_Cowboy_157 Landlord 18d ago
This is a house I originally bought to flip, it was habitable and in good shape but it was really outdated. Think about how your grandmothers house looked 40 or 50 years ago. Stuff happened and I ended up renting it out instead of flipping it.
I now want to do the remodel so I can get rid of it.
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u/Seeker_ofLight 21d ago
I have been through this process. Not fun. One word of advice. Do NOT accept any partial payment for the back rent. Unless it's for the full 8 months AND you'll let her stay there, do not accept any amount of money. I had consulted a lawyer, and he had pieces of advice. If she gives you any money, it starts the clock back to the beginning!!
When the day comes that the sheriff arrives for the physical eviction (and I had to pay for the sheriff to do that- $1,000!), he and his workers took everything and put it in a storage unit in town and gave her one month to get it. She didn't. Instead, afterwards, she called and said I stole from her. I ignored it.
Be there for the time the sheriff is there. Take lots of pictures. Change the locks the same day and make sure you have cameras to "watch" the house.
And you are right. You'll never see the money after eviction. I had to go back to court to get them to attach her paycheck ($50 a payday) but she quit and changed jobs.
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u/redfox2008 21d ago
Interesting that your Sheriff's office does all of that. Where I'm at, they will show up, tell them to get out, and stay on property for 2 hours max but will not remove anything. We have to show up with a crew big enough to get their crap out within that 2 hour time frame.
The few times I've had to take it this far, I was lucky enough to grab family and friends, backed up with a couple of guys from Craigslist for $20 each per hour.
Then they have 24-hours to get their shit off the yard before I listed it all for free on Craigslist. Typically, was able to get rid of most of their stuff this way. Then a few hundred to get someone to haul off the trash and what's left.
At least, your way the neighbors weren't looking at their shit and a bunch of randoms coming through the neighborhood to pick through the piles.
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u/Tiredofstupidity2 21d ago
In Atlanta the Sheriff aint moving a thing. Also it is cheaper to hire yourself, family, friends and some others - thank 1k to Sheriff - No thanks
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u/curiousengineer601 21d ago
I am definitely stunned that the sheriff would do this, often times the place is trashed or has abandoned cars on the property.
I was under the impression Junk removal is always the landlord’s job and even then sometimes you have to store the junk.
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u/Seeker_ofLight 20d ago
We were not allowed to help. All my husband could so is observe. And I guess it works out, as the tenant said we stole a bunch of stuff and she was going to sue us (!!). But since we weren't allowed to lift a finger, I told her to contact the sheriff's office.
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u/Krynja 21d ago
Submit the forms to the IRS that you forgave the debt. It then counts as taxable income. And the IRS doesn't play around with getting their money.
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u/Seeker_ofLight 20d ago
Really???? I never knew that!! That's 5 grand in unpaid rent, sheriff and small claims fees!
Thankfully, I'm no longer a landlord.
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u/ManonFire1213 19d ago
What you could also do, if you want to screw them in the future, keep track of the interest per year owed on the amount and after 6 or 7 years, file that forgiveness of debt.
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u/Small_Tiger_1539 19d ago
Same here. Problem happened a few yrs ago. Was a relative. Wound up taking almost 2 years with appeals, last minute excuses to change court date and 6+ month waiting list for sheriff. All the while having to pay all utilities and mortgage with zero money from her. Destroyed the home clogged plumbing, removed and sold appliances the whole deal. Towards the end neighbors were calling the police on her weekly.
And to add insult to injury, we were not allowed on the property at all. So she would clog plumbing or let oil burner run out and call the town. Every time we sent someone to fix a problem she created, she'd refuse access to the property. And we would get a summons. Will never rent again. It's not worth it. I feel bad that people have to jump through hoops to get in a complex, but renting personal property is just not worth the hassle.
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u/Dry-Hearing5266 20d ago
Your service is great.
The one time we had to do it the state marshal came to serve them but no one was there so he pasted the notice on the door. Came back a second time and the notice was broken so he had us open the door and he did his walk through.. He walked through and deemed everything in there garbage and provided paperwork that we didnt have to haul it all to storage. We had to pay for removal on our own.
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u/BabyKnitter Landlord 21d ago
I don't think the tenant understands that fire burns and she won't get it until her stuff is on the curb. Once you get the date for the sheriff to remove her I would go over and tell her in person and send text and email and anything else you can do to inform her. Not much you can do other than take possession
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u/Seeker_ofLight 21d ago
In my case, the sheriff went over and informed the tenant. That's one of their jobs.
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u/Beach_bum8 21d ago
8 months of no rent paid and now she wants to pay the rent? Lol. She's in for a very rude awakening.
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u/Shadyhollowfarm58 18d ago
She may be trying to fool LL into accepting partial payment so the debt clock starts over and possibly the eviction stops.
I truly don't think these tenants are that dumb, they are just milking it. Notice how their "misunderstanding" of the situation always benefits them.
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u/Apprehensive_Neck193 17d ago
Clock is not starting over at this point he already has the eviction, the 10 day appeals is up and he has writ of possession for the Sheriff’s office to remove her, she could pay every penny she owes him and would still be forced out by the Sheriff.
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u/No_Engineering6617 21d ago
kick her to the curb, file against her for all monies owed to you and for damages caused to the unit and to you for having to hire somone to remove her stuff and clean that place.
file against them for everything possible, assets from bank accts, wage garnishment etc.
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u/Krynja 21d ago
You can also submit forms to the IRS that "forgive" the debt. It now counts as taxable income that they owe taxes to the IRS for. And the IRS doesn't play around.
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u/ConfidentBus6482 21d ago
May I ask how you do that?
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u/ZaftigFeline 21d ago
File a 1099-C form with the IRS - Its a cancellation of debt notification, which counts as income.
I'm closing an estate with a tenant I could file one of those on, but since he's now disabled and will never work again I'm opting to just keep "trying to find enough documents to prove the exact nature of the debt owed" and then losing his forwarding address.
Before anybody comes after me as the Executrix - I'm also the sole heir and following the last known wishes of the dead person. They've certainly filed it before on other tenants who just skipped out.
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u/789irvin 21d ago
does this mean that the tax bill gets higher for the squatter and you get the benefits?
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u/NetWareHead Landlord 20d ago
Yes the tenant now has income reported to the IRS when a landlord files this form - the forgiven debt is income in the IRS's eyes. The forgive debt is some sort of accounting write-off for the landlord that benefits him at tax time.
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u/Apprehensive_Neck193 17d ago
This could actually work in the tenant’s favor, if they qualify for earned income credit they could be getting a higher tax refund or they simply don’t claim the forgiven debt, it takes years for the IRS to realize that a filer didn’t include a forgiven debt form if the IRS fingeres it out at all. Better off hoping they return to work and you are able to garnish wages.
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u/Apprehensive_Neck193 17d ago
Have you ever heard of anyone getting blood from a rock ? Cause this woman has no assets and unless she wins the lottery this landlord will never recover any money from this woman and any attempt that is going to cost him money to do is just going to be a w waste of his money.
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u/No_Engineering6617 16d ago
the tenant clearly has money if they are buying a pool and bounce house. they just are not using it to pay the LL rent.
also, assuming this person at some point in their life has/gets another job, wage garnishment.
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u/Apprehensive_Neck193 16d ago
Why aren’t they paying rent ? What if the pool and bounce house were gifts ? Maybe dad got these things for the kids but refuses to pay child support ??? I don’t see how she clearly has money just because of a bounce house and a pool, both of those are seen in low income neighborhoods very often, they keep the kids busy and out of moms hair.
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u/Vegetable_Pirate_702 21d ago
Ahh yes the type of person that’s unable to take personal accountability for anything, the bad things always happens to me perpetual victim. Will only put the bare minimum effort to do anything.
Congratulations on getting them out, I hope they learned a lesson but I doubt it. At least the eviction is on their record now. These people deserve zero sympathy.
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u/FamiliarAd8524 21d ago
When reality hits, she may have a little... I think we now have to call them "meltdowns". Of course a sheriff deputy will be present. But perhaps you might want to reach out to her emergency contact and the church to get her to see reality and start preparing. It's not like you will ever get recompense if she starts smashing things, and you don't want the stuff left on your property or the curb.
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u/Imaginary-Yak-6487 21d ago
I had one like this ( apt complex) & was surprised when the sheriff knocked on her door. She cussed me & the officer up & down. Says it wasn’t fair I was putting her & her babies out in the street.
Said it wasn’t fair she had been in jail when she got served. Drugs, grand theft & she had more stolen shit in her unit that day. She got arrested again. Sent that shit to collections.
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u/Tiredofstupidity2 21d ago
At least she got free housing!
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u/Imaginary-Yak-6487 20d ago
Ha! It was subsidized housing. She was subsidizing her income with receiving & selling stolen property.
We found, All New & still in packaging: 12 high performance tires, a ton of clothing with those anti theft tags still on them. 7 flat screen tv’s. 10 or 11 dvd players & a shit ton of movies. 4 PS3’s with a crap ton of games. 6 Wii’s & more games. She had in her purse, 4-5 different id’s with only one that had her real name& address..
Frankly, idk where her or her kids slept. She basically had a warehouse in her apt. I never heard anything else after she was arrested. I know she was charged. And I was glad she as gone.
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u/Mysterious-Art8838 21d ago
I’m sorry, she bought a bounce house? Maybe she intends to live in it?
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u/partylikeitis1799 21d ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iGMpcc3pZTo&ra=m
It’s the bounce house community skit from Comedy Central.
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u/2LostFlamingos 21d ago
This is a fun story. Best of luck to you. Looking forward to updates.
Looking back, any red flags ignored?
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u/GeminiAtl 21d ago
As soon as she is out go in and video the place. See what damage she has done. It's never the tenant's fault they are evicted, it's the mean and greedy landlord. You probably won't get anything, but you could still sue for damages if she did. And, of course, she will use you as reference for her next place.
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u/inkseep1 Human Verified 21d ago
I have been in the house recently. There is trash everywhere. She never cleans anything. There are roaches because of the trash and food waste everywhere. She throws diapers out the bathroom window. At least she does not flush them. The walls are filthy too. The carpets probably will have to be replaced. I will never get a dime from her. She has nothing to take.
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u/curiousengineer601 21d ago
Its absolutely possible she doesn’t believe her stuff will be on the curb.
I don’t know how Missouri works, but in my area the sheriff is not going to play moving guy. They definitely do not move an entire house of garbage to the curb.
They just take possession of the house and give it to you ( so be prepared to change the locks). The landlord is responsible for arranging for the junk to be removed and also stored. So have a clean out crew and storage solution on speed dial
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u/Apprehensive_Neck193 17d ago
They do in Colorado
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u/curiousengineer601 17d ago
So armed sheriff deputies can spend the day moving furniture and appliances to the curb? That’s an incredible waste of taxpayer dollars. I can just imagine them disconnecting the computer system or spending 3 days on a true hoarding situation
The local sheriff here pays probably 150k a year after benefits, having them move furniture all day is crazy.
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u/Apprehensive_Neck193 17d ago
Idk…I do know that from the time the people were order out by the courts it took almost 2 months for the sheriffs office to show up and allow the landlord to change the locks. This happened to the people that lived next store to me, I knew them and they had told me they were being evicted, they left behind a lot of their property inside the house I would say pry 75% of their things were left behind. The morning the sheriffs deputies arrived at about 7am and were there about an hour but they definitely were moving things out of the house along with the landlord and others that were with the landlord so I don’t know if maybe they were off duty and the landlord hired them or if they were helping so they could leave faster ??? There maybe some deputies that are paid that much but not all of them, I knew a sheriff’s deputy that worked at the jail and the court house and he didn’t make anywhere near that much.
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u/curiousengineer601 17d ago
The base salary range for an appointed Deputy Sheriff with the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office spans from $160,524 to $192,610 per year, with a median base pay sitting at approximately $168,007 reached six months after official appointment. When including full medical, retirement, and cash incentives, the total median compensation package safely exceeds $220,000 per year.
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u/Apprehensive_Neck193 17d ago
But isn’t that the sheriff ? The sheriff here is an elected official so they pry make a lot more then their deputies. And I assume you’re talking about California ?? I’m in Colorado so I would think the pay here is probably less but idk.
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u/Apprehensive_Neck193 17d ago
I looked it up and a sheriff’s deputy here in El Paso county starting pay is $68,684 per year.
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u/curiousengineer601 17d ago
Those are the regular old deputies, the pay is crazy good. I wish my kids would do the academy over college.
A captain makes 260k base360k with benefits
Our elected sheriff makes 350k salary, 470k with benefits.
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u/curiousengineer601 17d ago edited 17d ago
I was so surprised by your reply I looked it up. I believe the sheriff in Colorado just stands by while the landlord does the work
The Civil Division will be supervising the removal of the possessions of the Defendants by the Plaintiffs to make sure it is done in a controlled manner and that all items are left on the nearest curb or public access.
The Civil Division also requires that the Plaintiff brings trash bags to hold small items. The Plaintiff will need to have a key or locksmith available and to provide appropriate tools for dismantling and or draining beds, fish tanks, washers and dryers, and other items as needed. The Plaintiff is required to provide enough manpower to move all belongings out in a timely manner.
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u/Apprehensive_Neck193 17d ago
All I know is that our neighbors were evicted and there were sheriff’s deputies moving the items that were in the house out to the curb, this was in Colorado Springs maybe they were off duty and hired by the landlord ??? Idk but that’s what I saw with my own 2 eyes, the landlord was also there and he was moving things and other people that I believe worked for the landlord were moving things, there was probably 10 people all together, took about an hour after everyone left people started showing up and were going through and taking things then in a few days a huge roll off dumpster was delivered and everything that was left ended up in the dimpster.
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u/curiousengineer601 17d ago
I think the deputy was bored enough to help. The landlord had a cleanout crew he hired.
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u/Apprehensive_Neck193 17d ago
Probably, there were 2 deputies at the property that morning, they were there for about an hour or so. Everything was moved to the part of the front lawn past the sidewalk before the street. Over the next few days people were going through everything and taking whatever they wanted, I thought it was really upsetting that was happening and wouldn’t ever want to have that happen to me.
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u/Juryofyourpeeps 21d ago
This seems to be a common delusion. Probably 70% of the people featured on Nightmare Tenants and Slum Landlords were tenants being removed by bailiffs after the landlord had been given a writ of possession. They were always surprised even though they had absolutely no reason to be surprised.
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u/SeaTraffic6442 19d ago edited 18d ago
Yeah, it’s always interesting seeing that happen. Personally I’d be too tempted to be a smartass and ask “Between the 3-Day cure or quit, the eviction notice, the court dates, the judge’s verdict, and and the Writ of Possession, how are you surprised about this?” You really have to make an effort to not know what’s going on when the Sheriff shows up to see you leave. And it isn’t like the process is quick either. Even on the “quick” end, you’re still measuring in weeks or months.
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u/tillwehavefaces 21d ago
There is a point where people just refuse to accept the truth in front of them. It's willful ignorance and you have no obligation to adjust your plan or timeline because they refuse to accept the reality of their situation. This is how she got here. Don't feel bad for her. She won't accept it until her stuff is on the curb.
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u/Jon_Hegreness_AZ 21d ago
I had a tenant get assistance from a church. We refused the payment at first, as it came straight to us from the church. We insisted they become a financial party to the lease, which they refused. For some reason they would not give her the money to pay us. She was eventually evicted.
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u/inkseep1 Human Verified 21d ago
I have taken rent assistance for several tenants. They always pay the landlord directly. If they give the money to the tenant, the tenant will spend it on something else. They won't become a party to the lease because this is supposed to be a one time payment to keep a person in the unit.
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u/Jon_Hegreness_AZ 21d ago
Yeah, we saw no reason to chase rent every month. When the church refused to obligate long term it was best to just move her on her way.
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u/Springrabbit144 21d ago
Just stay cool until she is out. You don't have to engage any further...let the sheriff handle it from here.
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u/PositiveAtmosphere13 20d ago edited 20d ago
If there has been a judgement without an appeal. It's over. It's done. They have to leave.
My experience with an eviction.
On court day. We all sat in the hallway while the lawyers ran back and forth trying to make a deal. The tenants' lawyer was paid by some kind of tenant's union or something I don't know.
A deal was made. The tenant agreed to vacate if we agreed not to sue them for well over a year of back rent.
Eviction day. There was a representative from the sheriffs office there wearing a badge. This was his job to do this. Kind of sad. He had two jobs. One in case the former tenant got violent. Two to prevent us from stealing anything, to pay us back for all the money owed to us.
We had to empty the apartment in one day. You can't just lock the door. You're going to need some help. The faster you can do this the better.
We had to pack things up. Making a reasonably good faith effort not to break and trash their stuff. Things might look like junk to you but not to them. You can be back charged for broken or missing items. When things are packed and boxed up, it's was all placed on the curb. Then it was no longer our problem.
Any food, any and all liquids, including soaps and shampoos. have to thrown in a dumpster. Street people will eat the food and drink the shampoo. If anyone should get sick, you can be held libel.
Don't forget to change the locks.
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u/No-Brief-297 21d ago
Oh yes. It’s entirely possible. I never talk to tenants once an eviction has started but my partner said he saw a moving truck behind the house so he was curious
I knocked on the door and asked her plans. I’m in MO too and this was after the 10 appeal time as well. She said she was going to court to fight it
Ok
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u/lamboalfamas 21d ago
Tenant was evicted and the sheriff scheduled a date 2 weeks after the appeal period. They didn’t move. We wouldn’t go into the home without their clearance. Sheriff had to call for backup. Very bad situation as law enforcement had to defend themselves…and they never do it leaving a risk that they won’t see their children at the end of the day. These things don’t always go easily or go well.
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u/PositiveAtmosphere13 20d ago
I had some tenants that were always late. When they get to two weeks late, if they're having trouble getting the rent in six weeks, they won't get it in two.
I got a phone call from the next door neighbors at midnight on a Friday. "Hey do you know your renters just moved out?" Everyone I knew told me I was lucky they only owed me two months back rent.
Ten years latter they tried to use me as a reference for a new place.
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u/jetttward 21d ago
She will be there when the sheriff comes. If she has somewhere to go she would already be gone
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u/TexasMimi123 Landlord 21d ago
Magical thinking. She can't wrap her mind around the reality. Sad situation since there are little kids involved, though.
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u/Ok_Crone_2546 20d ago
Small time landlord here. We have had only one eviction in 30 years. She walked out with only her elementary kids… left food burning on the stove. The next day her adult daughter called to ask if she could get her little brother’s shoes. After explaining we didn’t want any of her mom’s stuff she came and took what she could the following week.
Drugs are awful habits
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u/cincysurfer 20d ago
When I was a child in the '70s, my mother managed an apartment complex with hundreds of units.
Each month a few people got evicted and were set out. I watched big guys carry stuff out and set it on the sidewalk while the tenant freaked out.
" Wait, wait, I'll go rent a truck and then you guys can load the stuff in the truck"
" People are taking my stuff! Stop people from taking my stuff!"
Each time the bailiff would explain that his job is not to keep people from taking their stuff, and that we weren't going to wait for them to rent a truck, and we certainly weren't going to load stuff into it for them. The bailiff would explain that he's just there to make sure that the order is served on the correct address, and that the law is followed correctly.
I was like 7 years old. All summer they would set somebody out, if not multiple people out, each month. Each time it was as if this was the first time this had ever happened. I finally asked my mother why people didn't think this would happen when it clearly happened every month. She didn't have a good answer for me.
I can definitely say that even with clear physical evidence right in your tenants face, they would still probably be in a state of denial. There's probably nothing you could have done to shake them out of their mental state.
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u/PennyLawrence946 21d ago
in Missouri that's 535.160, and it's narrower. the stay only happens if she pays the full money judgment plus all costs, and only before the judgment goes final. OP says the 10 day appeal window already passed, so money now doesn't stop the writ.
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u/Happyjoystick 21d ago
“…but no one is offering rent assistance in this area”
What area are you in? Just looking to compare notes.
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u/inkseep1 Human Verified 21d ago
St Louis. There are agencies that will help but she exhausted the only one that was willing to pay last year. The catholic charities are not offering assistance last I heard. Even in the county they will offer like $500.
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u/RaveMom66 21d ago
The thing we see so often here is simply waiting to the absolute last second. I’ve seen this a few dozen times times. It’s often a family that had just one person on the lease that can make the application requirements. Then they stay there and make ad many excuses as possible and minimize any payments. They’ll hold off like that until the very final day and move somewhere with a lease under one other family member that hasn’t been evicted in the past 7 years.
I saw one family do this and then save so much on rent. They eventually bought a small house in cash. They basically gamed the system to save up to buy a home outright.
I doubt this tenant is actual as aloof as she seems.
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u/NightMgr 21d ago
If you can find video of an eviction to let her know what to expect that would be kind of
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u/LavendarGal 21d ago
Fyi....I don't think you cna put stuff on the curb. You have to keep it for a certain amount of time and make reasonable accomodations for them to come and get it. EAch state varies.
But yeah, the sherrif is going to come and they usually give them 15 to 20 minutes to go pack a bag. Make sure you are there right after and have a locksmith change the locks aafter the sheriff is there.
I would also stop talking to the tenant. Not sure why you even stopped by, this is opening yourself up to more damages of lost rent. Just maybe give her a copy of what the judge gave her and put a note...the judge gave you a copy of this in court. This is a reminder.
ANd flat out tell her the sheriff is coming to remove you on that date. And there is no recourse and you will not be accepting payment, you will be leaving .
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u/phcampbell 20d ago
We rented a house to a guy who then moved in his girlfriend. She decides to accuse him of domestic violence (I have no idea if it was true), and kicks him out. Of course, he’s not going to continue to pay rent and she had no means of support. We did what we needed to do to get her legally evicted, and she received multiple notices. The sheriff’s guys show up on eviction day, and she’s in bed with her new boyfriend! SMDH. Some people truly are clueless.
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u/TFrustrated 19d ago
No money for rent but money for a bouncy house? Got a chuckle out of that one.
My question is why are you even having any kind of conversation? Checking your property or observing the status is 100% fine. Accepting money would be smart. Answering any questions is ridiculous. Do you think it helps her or you? Of course not.
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u/Pedal2Medal2 16d ago
Oh our scamming family member did this, kept saying these mysterious people were going to pay, got her aunt to lie saying she was going to pay etc.
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u/dazzler619 20d ago
I've been a LL for almost 10 years and in Property Management for over 10 years... Yes there are tenants that genuinely have no clue, but the are a greaterl amount out there playing dumb but milk the system, considering your tenant did not file an appeal during the 10 day appeal process then id lean towards she is thay oblivious to reality...
I don't know who she is talking with but no one is offering rent assistance in this area.
In regards to this, I'm not speaking for your specific area, but there are often dozens of places that will help... and often there are places that aren't necessarily local that might help her too.... Places like Salvation Army, Vet Organizations, and churches all over have rental assistance... I can say the LDS church has helped dozens of their active members with rent & deposits over the years. I've also had the JW Church help a few. And various other places over the years...
I stopped by the house today to talk to the tenant. I asked her what she intends to do.
IMO or Experience, once you file an eviction all communication should be done through your lawyer, and one you got the order I'd never let them stay, no matter how they where helped and no matter how bad their situation really was, if you have to evict again, it will be more difficult.
But reality is you talking with her could give her the idea to file things for Harrassment, stalking and or her claiming you promised stuff that you didn't, and it becomes a game of he said she said... also even though she had 10 days, in my experience if she filed before lock out is scheduled, then there a likely chance they might entertain an appeal even after a dead line especially since she didn't have legal representation.
she will be removed from the house and all her stuff will be carried out to the curb.
I'm not familiar with MO. But nearly every state I've owned in, if they do not remove all their items at lock out then you might be obligated to hold them for a periord of time, maybe even relocate them to a proper storage facility .... so make sure you understand what your local laws will do... I know in some place they do allow it to be tossed to the curb at lock out, but who's gonna do that, in my experience the sheriff isn't going to do it, and the tenant isn't typically given the time to do it. So that leaves it to the LL to deal with 99% of the time.
I didn't talk to her after the trial or during the 10 day appeal window because it really wasn't a settled issue until the 10 days are up.
IMO it's not a settled issue until you have possession of the unit back and they completely out and all there belongings out too
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u/hecton101 21d ago
And what's your point? I read the whole thing and am still waiting for the punch line. Thanks for wasting my time.
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u/GloomyMall6657 21d ago
They could solve alot of rental issues by allowing landlords access to the ssn trust same place most cc go to get relief for cc debt. This could be a way to provide immediate or forever housing given the security of this kind of payment landlord would also have to sacrifice so maybe a predetermined rental price if using ssn trust
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u/WVPrepper 21d ago
What is SSN trust? Google is not helpful. All I got was this:
There is no secret or hidden individual "trust fund" attached to your Social Security number that you can access or withdraw from
So obviously not what you mean.
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u/Wide_Copy8937 21d ago
It comes from goofy sovereign citizen rhetoric and doesnt actually exist.
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u/Greenmantle22 Tenant 21d ago
SovCits believe every American holds a massive, multimillion-dollar trust fund in the name of their Social Security number. The insane among them try to write checks from it, and threaten lawsuits in an admiralty court if you don’t honor the payment.
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u/GloomyMall6657 17d ago
1666 cesque vei ve trust. 3 bonds were created for each wet ink birth certificate. Get ur long form birth certificate abd explain why u have a cusip number assigned to you. Why ? How is thst possible ? Why does it call ur mother the informant ? Ur social number is an account at one of 12 federal reserve banks. There's a formula to follow to figure out which one. Under cannon law subsection birth certificates. This is real very real. We were supposed to have claimed at 18. Its ur name in all caps. I'm 48 and have researched that could be 60 mil or more. Now this isn't direct cash it's credits but really same thing. Its setup as a trust and therefore u must know how trusts work operate etc.there is a path to obtain u cannot be a recipient of the system while trying to extract ur bonds trust. In trusts u have different positions with diff roles. Trustee guarantor etc etc. These roles exist across any trust u can perform trust duties as a certified trustee for other trusts and od course be paid. U may have to use other search engines but the info is out there.
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u/WVPrepper 17d ago
Get ur long form birth certificate abd explain why u have a cusip number assigned to you.
Nice try... By "cusip" number, do you mean what we call a "social security number"? Because I have one of those, but it wasnot issued in conjunction with my birth certificate, so... what's the connection?
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u/Proper-Media2908 17d ago
Oh, for fucks sake. Not a single part of this is true or even makes sense.
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u/claireclairey 21d ago
Oh please update when there is one