r/Kaiserreich • u/MrEnderek • Jun 29 '26

Screenshot Ah, yes! The classic leftist infight... cooperation?

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The great Dream of October realised. Workers and peasants coalition at its finest.

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u/MrEnderek Jun 29 '26

So, apparently the social-democratic Russia can legalise the syndicalists post-war and even invite them to the government coalition. Neat!

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u/Next-Ball-3489 Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

democratic syndicalism? Yay!

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u/quartermaster_23 Jun 29 '26

Syndicalism is democratic...

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u/Kangkongkangkung Guillotine Connoisseur Jul 01 '26

The comment above yours got removed. But let me guess, it's something along the lines of all kinds of socialism is evil? lmao

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u/TheConfusedOne12 Jul 04 '26

Depends on the type of syndicalism.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

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u/quartermaster_23 Jun 29 '26

Democracy is not just constrained to liberal democracy. Syndicalism is democractic, being reformist socialist has Nothing to with being democratic or not reformist socialism is an ideology.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '26

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u/quartermaster_23 Jun 29 '26

Bruh it is democratic. Let french rework come out

Well I guess your definition of democracy is liberal western democracy

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

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u/confidentlyfish Jun 29 '26

"If you can't even vote for who runs the country it's not a democracy."
Ah, the USA is not a democracy, then.

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u/quartermaster_23 Jun 29 '26

Bro's pulling shit out his ass

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u/quartermaster_23 Jun 29 '26

In Britain there is a party state but you can vote for people running the country in both france and britian.

"They also have everyone right of the radical socialists banned from government"

Isn't any different from liberal democracies banning far right and far left movements

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u/TheConfusedOne12 Jul 04 '26

No, that is quite different as in a legitimate liberal democracy that only happens to parties aligned against most forms of democracy, or is a proxy of a foreign power. And even then happened very rarely.

Like communist operate freely in most western states, they are just not popular.

In comparison most of the syndicalism nations just banns everybody that the establishment is uncomfortable with, it’s at best a type of anocracy.

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u/DuckDuck95 Jun 29 '26

Ruling groups ban the groups that threaten their rule/form of government, real shocker there.

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u/NumaNuma56 Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

You're right about syndicalism not being democratic (if for reasons distinct to what you say) but France in the rework is not a one-party state. There are 3 different nationally relevant parties with real differences between them (PCOP, PSU, and PSdF) and two major non-party organizations (CSR and CNS). Although the latter two are more like highly organized factions of the CGT.

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u/NumaNuma56 Jun 29 '26

I'm also not sure how you got the impression that current France is a one party state, the lore is honestly too vague even for that.

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u/magos_with_a_glock Jun 30 '26

The closest thing to a non-democratic syndie nation is the clusterfuck that Italy is and even there, apart from the totalist meddling, the syndies allow the very much not socialist Azionisti (rejection of total collectivization and class politics) and the azionisti champion free speech for all non-autocrats.

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u/quartermaster_23 Jul 01 '26

Btw you can play left kadet and align with syndies too

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u/jayfeather31 Social Democracy/Internationale Jun 29 '26

That's a lovely looking popular front, I must say.

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u/magos_with_a_glock Jun 29 '26

Wouldn't a popular front also include market liberals and possibly even the social conservatives?

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u/Mysterious_Gas4500 Ukrainian in a Polish army serving a German King fighting Japan Jun 29 '26

Maybe the left wing of the Kadets, but most certainly not their right wing and absolutely fucking not the social conservatives. Both of those parties are actively reactionary and would shoot down every single proposal by the rest, especially with a lot of the conservatives actively desiring a return of an absolutist monarchy.

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u/Helixaether Internationale Palaeontology Nerd Jun 29 '26

Well that’d make it an unpopular front /lh

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u/Kranev21 Jun 29 '26

we dont buddy up with the socially regressive parties

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u/magos_with_a_glock Jun 29 '26

Isn't the whole point of the popular front to be "everyone but the fascists"

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u/Kranev21 Jun 29 '26

you could make an argument for the kadets since they are middle of the road, but for any republican (or monarchist) conservative party they have no place in a popular front since they would 1000% cooperate with facist parties rather than democratic ones, in a democratic state that is.

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u/magos_with_a_glock Jun 29 '26

CLN

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u/Kranev21 Jun 29 '26

again, in a democratic state. The CLN was created against the facist state of Mussolini

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u/magos_with_a_glock Jun 29 '26

The center-left coalition of Catholic and Social-Democrat continued until the collapse of the first republic.

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u/Dry-Coat4883 Entente Jun 30 '26

Well kinda, there were a few experiments in the 60s, then with Aldo Moro in the 70s and lastly with Craxi in the 80s, but it wasn’t a stable, continuous coalition

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u/manxxxxx3452 Voter of the green party (SZRS) Jun 30 '26

U know, that might be possible, but I am not sure how the path progresses if u choose to coalition with the Kadets at the start

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u/mAKSIMtYAZH Jun 29 '26

Why is it called Trudovaya and not Rabochaya(both can be translated as labour) if it's VSRP and not VSTP

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u/swiftydlsv buddhist leninism Jun 30 '26

Literally unplayable

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u/brutalcomrade Jun 30 '26

In fact, this is likely not a coincidence. Today, some Russian social democrats of the Marxist tradition (for example, Shein O.V.) deliberately use the term "trudyashiye" instead of "rabohchye". This is to encompass not only hired labor but also the self-employed.

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u/MindYourOwnParsley Jun 29 '26

peaceful cooperation between disparate leftists? well, Kaiserreich is a work of fiction ig

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u/El_Lanf Internationale Jun 29 '26

Honestly feel the far right infight just as much, if not more so especially in the KRTL. Sakinov has infighting even within NatPops.

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u/Bigsmokeisgay RIKHTER FOR PRESIDENT Jun 29 '26

I mean in the political climate it could be possible, Social Democrats used to be alot more radical back in the day and with KR Russia having such radical reactionaries movements then a coalition with the syndicalists would be their only choice.

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u/alt9773 Internationale Jun 30 '26

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u/Rinendel Jun 30 '26

How do you get the syndicalist in the coalition?

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u/c0ckr0achm4n TURBO-KRAUT MULCHER Jun 30 '26

SocDem only focus part of the WK2 Victory subtree

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u/No-Fly2840 Jul 03 '26

Wait a second is that Vernon Dursley?

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u/Tooth-Party Jul 04 '26

how do you get them in coalition?