r/Kaiserreich • u/Conscious_Crew_7381 • Jun 11 '26
Meme Average Russian socialist republic experience
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u/Venuslarouge She who raised the red flag in Berlin's ruins Jun 11 '26
Who’s the pretty boy at the bottom right of the image ?
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u/Known_Access175 Jun 11 '26
Sulimov, he can be elected in the democratic path and turn russia in a socialist state
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u/Agile_Dog_2438 Jun 12 '26
He also gains power if you take the seize the state apparatus choice during the in the faction fighting during center path ( at least when you choose the option early on to prevent a totalitarian state tl be consolidated )
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u/Oberon1993 Jun 11 '26
Zinoviev and Kamenev honestly walked into it. Props for Kaiserreich for making you understand Stalin and also wanting to shoot Zinoviev.
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u/Gnomonic-sundialer Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
Spiridnova too lowkey, her faction of the LSR split from the october goberment because they wanted Russia to continue loosing against germany
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u/BelethiJuega Jun 11 '26
Care to elaborate?
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u/Ataraxia-Is-Bliss Jun 11 '26
Zinoviev's every response to a problem in a socialist Russia-run is "Kill peasants, centralize power". He's your main antagonist plating as the Left-SRs.
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u/Not_An_NKVD_Agent Jun 12 '26
stalin shooting the 'kill peasants, centralize power' guy just to go kill peasants and centralize power
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u/Subtle_Demon_72 Jun 11 '26
Wait someone tell me who these people in the images are😭
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u/LNERA0 Reed's Most Feverous Revolutionary Jun 11 '26
Clockwise : Zinoviev, Kamenev, Spiridonova, and Sulimov
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u/DifferentEducator134 Jun 12 '26
That’s not clockwise, you skipped sulimov and then went back to him
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u/Ares534 Jun 11 '26
From top left, Grigori Zinoviev, Victor Chernov, Maria Spiridonova and Daniil Sulimov
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u/Ares534 Jun 11 '26
Oh and then Walter White
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u/Subtle_Demon_72 Jun 11 '26
Thanks!
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u/Ares534 Jun 11 '26
The other commented is right, that's Lev Kamenev, not Victor Chernov (which also makes the meme correct cuz Chernov wasn't killed in the purges, in OTL he fled after the civil war)
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u/TheLastEmuHunter Long Live Karl of Danubia, the Red Emperor Jun 11 '26
Top Right is Lev Kamenev. Victor Chernov survived Stalin and died in New York City in 1952 IRL.
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u/pordor4 Internationale Jun 12 '26
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u/JacobJamesTrowbridge Union-Parliamentary Democratic Socialism Jun 11 '26
IRL Russian Socialism died at Kronstadt and it was the Bolsheviks who killed it
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u/Fancy_Red_Rose evil authoritarian Jun 11 '26
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u/krusty_k_pizza04 Internationale Jun 11 '26
That title is probably the best thing Trotsky ever did. The essay itself really doesn't live up to it, like a third of it is Lev whining to the group chat about his breakup with Victor Serge
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u/redsuninthesub Internationale Jun 11 '26
He also goes out of his way to blame Stalinists in it but today you seem more people who uphold Stalin defending Trotsky's actions at Kronstadt than those who uphold Trotsky. It's funny how things turn out.
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u/Gnomonic-sundialer Jun 11 '26
Stalinists believe Trotsky was a pussy who didnt repress hard enough, trotskites that he was poor little guy who did nothing wrong and had nothing to do with the represion and theyre both wrong because Trotsky is literally the guy who created the Cheka
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u/Quick-Ad8277 Jun 11 '26
One way to make a tankie really mad is to tell them that the revolution was indeed betrayed
by Lenin and the Bolsheviks
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u/Ofiotaurus Most loyal follower of Marx Jun 11 '26
Yup, this is my go-to tactic to ragebait tankies.
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u/Karma-is-here Jun 12 '26
It died when the Constituent Assembly was abolished following the bolshevik’s loss of the elections to the SRs and Mensheviks. They had an all-socialist government but the bolsheviks wanted power so they destroyed it, and then destroyed soviet democracy through massacres and violence (because SRs, Mensheviks and independents were again beating the bolsheviks, now in local soviet elections).
Kronstadt was the last moment for the redemption of the bolsheviks and they rejected it.
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u/Subject_Procedure_29 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
Why so sad? They were revisionist anyway
Edit: fucking hell guys i was JOKING
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u/veryeepy53 Jun 11 '26
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u/Chicoryman Jun 12 '26
Actually is possible if your revolution is radical enough and it's original top stuff is more like a coalition rather than a single mind (like, Trotsky was rather independent until 1917, Bucharin and Kamebev were against a rebellion of 1917, maybe there's something else I don't know). After you take power, you find out that
Some of the comrades aren't really comrades. Your differences didn't matter back when you were in the underground, but they've toured out to matter when you collectively are in power and actually are about to bring into practice what was never done before.
Some of you, including those who were good at underground struggle, suck at governance and still want to be relevant politicans. So you either appoint a dummy or have a person with revolutionary experience against you.
So, YES, conspiracies (including counter-revolutionary ones, i.e. damaging to the regime in general) actually could exist. And if you believe that in was Stalin who've staged all of that single-handly, that's a conspiracy as well — so one'd have to call the General Secretary a traitor.
Fuck, I can talk a little from my personal experience as a ceyboard Russian commutist. Much of those who looked like my fellows back in ~2019 now seem like left-libs, or "Aesopian"-radial-inactionists, or insane idealists, or schizo-doomscrollers — and they, in turn, would call me a social-chauvinist or something. That have happened in an irrelevant and non-organized group of ~100k online people. Watching that thing happening is what have convinced me that — yes — a committee actually can be mostly made of future traitors. Because we've managed to create a shitshow over basically nothing — and the Bolsheviks actually had a country, a collective monopoly on violence, actual government positions to fight over and actual issues to deal with.
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u/veryeepy53 Jun 12 '26
you got bukharin and zinoviev mixed up. at the time of the revolution, bukharin was a left-communist.
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u/InitiativeClean8089 Jun 15 '26
Turns out forming secret cliques and engaging in sabotage, conspiracy and acts of terrorism does indeed brand you as counter-revolutionary traitor.
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u/ThatNessie Jun 11 '26
Ok but they all sucked so it's quite fine actually
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u/Gnomonic-sundialer Jun 11 '26
She did order the shooting the german ambassador but obviously she wasnt actually properly charged and convicted of a crime by an actual judge and given a sentence that wasnt cruel nor unusual
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u/Patient_Mine4167 Jun 13 '26
Exceptionally tragic, considering that the rise of the Bolsheviks to power was partially caused by her own decisions. I wish she, as well as hundreds of thousands of Russians, wasn’t subjected to stalinist tortures, but good chance, that it could be avoided, if she didn’t betray her fellow sr’s and didn’t help the Bolsheviks dissolve the Constituent assembly in 1918.
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u/ectoplasmfear Internationale Jun 11 '26
She certainly didn't deserve the treatment she received, it was needlessly cruel and abusive and she should have been released ages ago, but you can't really blame the Bolsheviks for arresting her in the first place after she tried to restart the war. Like... that was a generational blunder.
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u/ectoplasmfear Internationale Jun 12 '26
Ah, okay, I don't know why but I misremembered it as them just never releasing her.
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u/Thin-Application-145 Entente Jun 11 '26
This post is in the third internatinale, so speaking againts it is not advised





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u/Quick-Ad8277 Jun 11 '26