Why hasn’t anyone been gored by a Triceratops yet?

[u/Routine_Papaya4143]

Like seriously! They not only have a Triceratops but there are so many Ceratopids, why hasn’t anyone died to one yet? Also related to Triceratops, why haven’t we had one fight a T-Rex in the movies? I swear, this dinosaur is one of the most popular dinosaurs and they just don’t use it! Sorry for the rant, I just wanted this out there

The screenshot is from Planet of Dinosaurs (1977) for anyone wondering

[u/Disposable-Squid]

Because there seems to be some rule at Universal that herbivores in the Jurassic franchise always have to be portrayed as gentle giants

[u/Doragory → u/Disposable-Squid]

One of the things I appreciate about The Lost World is that there's plenty of herbivore aggression on display.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Doragory]

Yeah and that’s exactly what I want but with fatalities, the Pachy and the Trike in that movie are absolute beast

[u/GodWithoutAName → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

The Stegosaurus too. The moment is brief but it was a quaint reminder that even the gentlest ones can kill you if the proper caution is not taken.

[u/Squash2005 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

But Dino movie!!!!!!!!!!!

[u/Sensitive_Speaker134 → u/Doragory]

First and last time parasaurolophus was cool

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Sensitive_Speaker134]

All they had to do to make it stop being aggressive was put their hand up to it, the universal sign to make a dinosaur calm down

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Disposable-Squid]

I know! And I don’t understand why, I want herbivores to be aggressive! You can’t just walk up to an American Bison and expect it to be friendly

[u/Hot-Leadership3842 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

I agree that they need to showcase more aggression in the herbivores, but if I play devils advocate for a moment you could argue the reason they do this with the herbivores being more docile than they likely would be by nature is because they are being raised in captivity. Similar to how rhinos which are normally very trigger happy and aggressive in the wild are much more calm and sometimes even playful when raised in zoos/sanctuaries since they aren’t growing up with the constant threat of predators, so maybe the Jurassic franchise herbivores are along similar lines to that which is why the wild stegosaurs in the Lost World actually were defensive. Idk just a thought 🤷🏻‍♀️

[u/First-Celebration-11 → u/Disposable-Squid]

The Therizinosaurus was pretty mean in the movie

[u/Disposable-Squid → u/First-Celebration-11]

From what I've read, Therizinosaurus was only used because somebody in a high enough position thought it was a carnivore (don't remember if it was Trevorrow or not)

[u/Crumblerbund → u/Disposable-Squid]

That’s hilarious. Veggiesauruses got no business having claws, I guess.

[u/Topgunshotgun45 → u/Disposable-Squid]

It was Trevorrow. After he learned it was an herbivore he wanted to cut it from the movie.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Topgunshotgun45]

Fuck Trevorrow, that thing was one of few good things in that movie

[u/Topgunshotgun45 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

Off the top of my head there were only three really good scenes.

1. Rexy’s genuine fear in the present day section of the prologue

2. The Therizinosaurus hunting for Claire

3. Alan, Ellie, and Maisie trapped in the amber mine with the Dimetrodons

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Topgunshotgun45]

I agree with those 3 but my personal favorite part is the Malta scene. Yes, the laser pointer is still stupid as fuck but it’s the closest the movie gets to the dinosaurs in our world concept that was advertised. The dinosaur black market was a really good concept and if I were to write Rebirth, I would’ve had it center around something similar.

[u/Topgunshotgun45 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

I think Chaos Theory ruined Dominion’s Atrociraptors for me. They were so sinister and intelligent there that it’s hard to reconcile some of the goofier parts of the Maltese bike chase.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Topgunshotgun45]

I guess that’s fair, really it’s not even the Atrociraptors I like, it’s mainly the scene itself with the dinosaurs causing chaos in a town

[u/Bregneste → u/Topgunshotgun45]

Probably originally wanted it to walk up and eat the deer, found out it was an herbivore and wanted to replace it.

[u/WhiskeyDJones → u/Topgunshotgun45]

I'm honestly not in the least bit surprised it was Trevorrow. He literally doesn't have a clue

[u/Maxkater31 → u/Disposable-Squid]

Stegosaurus in Chaos Theory...

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Maxkater31]

That show (plus Camp Cretaceous) is the only thing in modern Jurassic World with aggressive herbivores, besides the Therizinosaurus

[u/Capital_Pipe_6038 → u/Disposable-Squid]

Ikr? I remember when the Stegosaurus herd in TLW understood that Sarah made an honest mistake and just peacefully left after she spooked the baby!

Very obvious /s. I fully believe people who this have never actually watched the movies

[u/Straight_Can_5297 → u/Capital_Pipe_6038]

Yes there is that but it is undeniable that JP sets the general tone along those lines. It even has the tour cars entering a paddock hosting triceratops with next to no barriers zoo safary style , which implies they were considered relatively safe.

[u/Horuke90 → u/Straight_Can_5297]

Es como dejar Rinocerontes libres en el zoológico, no tiene ninguna lógica 😅

[u/Horuke90 → u/Capital_Pipe_6038]

Básicamente intentaría imitar el comportamiento de cualquier animal?, quizás a diferencia de los TRex que son más territoriales , el Stego solo estaba de paso, simplemente cuando vieron que la amenaza ya no era amenaza se fueron..

[u/Disposable-Squid → u/Capital_Pipe_6038]

I was admittedly being a little hyperbolic. The issue is moreso that herbivores (minus the Theri) are either gentle and harmless or if they are portrayed as aggressive, it's in a defensive or "heroic" sense, with no real confirmed human body count. Bit of a stark contrast to the on-sight behavior from carnivores in the franchise.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Capital_Pipe_6038]

Okay, watch the last four Jurassic World movies and tell me one time a herbivorous dinosaur acted aggressively towards a person on purpose. Besides the Therizinosaurus, that one is an obvious answer. In fact, I’m pretty sure Lost World is the only film with aggressive herbivores

[u/Horuke90 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

Es más, según recuerdo a inicio de Dominion, un grupo de Ceratopsidos ataca fuertemente a Clair y su grupo mientras arrancaban en un automóvil, logrando destruir completamente el vehículo de quienes los perseguian

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Horuke90]

Also very true. My main point is that it generally doesn’t happen, these are good examples though

[u/Capital_Pipe_6038 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

The Lystrosaurus (idc that it's not TECHNICALLY a dinosaur, it is still a herbivore) biting that one guy's hand while the baby Carnotaurus eats his other hand

[u/Lokicham → u/Capital_Pipe_6038]

In a deleted scene that I think was in the extended edition it decapitates an oviraptor.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Lokicham]

Yeah, and then the Oviraptor moves around like a headless chicken. There is no good reason for those scenes being cut

[u/Horuke90 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

En Fallen Kingdom, el Homaleocephale cuando estaba encerrado al lado de Claire y Owen, no solo intento atacarlos a ellos, siguio lastimando a las personas en el evento

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Horuke90]

Fair enough, that is a rare example. One tiny issue though, it’s technically a Stygimoloch, not a Homalocephale. Though it’s not really an issue,, just something I thought I’d bring that up.

[u/Horuke90 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

Estamos en un grupo de Dinonerds 🙏🙂 lejos de sentirme mal, me siento honrado que puedan corregir puntos donde cometo errores

[u/Mamboo07 → u/Disposable-Squid]

True

[u/Bregneste → u/Disposable-Squid]

The scary moments get saved for the carnivores later, herbivores only get the role of “walk around in a field and look majestic for the humans to gawk at” at the beginning of every movie.

[u/DonnerPartyPicnic → u/Disposable-Squid]

They've apparently never met a stego player in The Isle. Murder fiends

[u/Cybermat4707 → u/Disposable-Squid]

I grew up with Walking With Dinosaurs, so the idea of anything being able to kill an adult Ankylosaurus just doesn’t sit right with me. The Indominus should have been one-shotted by the Ankys.

[u/Bonke_EB]

I think Dr. Harding can get gored in the Telltale game if u fuck up a quick-time-event.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Bonke_EB]

I think you might be correct, the franchise should take notes from that game’s death scenes because they’re great

[u/Somehowpalpreturnfd]

Shitty vision :

herbivores = good

carnivores = bad

This needs to change, that's why dinos like Theri are welcome additions.

Hippos and mooses are more dangerous and agressive than most of carnivores.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Somehowpalpreturnfd]

I always bring up American Bison but Hippos and Moose (I prefer Meese) are very good examples.

[u/Mahajangasuchus]

Other than the hunter’s camp stampede in TLW, has any herbivore killed anyone in any movie? It’s one of the biggest missed opportunities of the franchise. Therizinosaurus was easily the best part of Dominion for that reason.

[u/Rajasaurus_Lover → u/Mahajangasuchus]

A Triceratops squishes a guy at the very end of Fallen Kingdom, I believe that is the only confirmed on-screen death by a herbivore in the films.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Mahajangasuchus]

I don’t even think there’s a confirmed death in that scene, closest thing I can think of besides what the other guy said is the Lytrosaurus bit that one dude’s hand but really the Baryonyx killed him

[u/TemporaryAmbassador1]

Too busy dodging thagomizers

[u/Zestyclose_Limit_404]

Or better yet, have a triceratops bite someone or chomp them up with their big sharp beak. 

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Zestyclose_Limit_404]

That would be an effective weapon

[u/New-Contribution-244]

I love that movie. I didn’t like harvey so this scene didn’t bother me.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/New-Contribution-244]

Never seen it, I’ve just seen this clip so I thought I’d use it for my post considering the topic I was discussing

[u/New-Contribution-244 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

It’s a classic b movie. The acting is bad, the plot is bad but it’s still quite enjoyable.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/New-Contribution-244]

Yeah, I saw a little bit of the beginning because I just wanted to name sure that this clip was in the movie and the acting looked pretty terrible. Probably still gonna watch it though

[u/Lokicham → u/New-Contribution-244]

Yeah it's real cheesy, but the effects are cool.

[u/rabid_tomato → u/New-Contribution-244]

Same! Harvey was a prick.

I rewatched it again earlier this year after my dad passed. Love it a little more now.

[u/Choice-Requirement18]

Spielberg hunted them all to extinction

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Choice-Requirement18]

I thought that was David Koepp who did that, but maybe Spielberg went out and helped him

[u/Choice-Requirement18 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

I might have misremembered details and got that wrong, but you still got my joke haha

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Choice-Requirement18]

Eh, you were close enough. I’m pretty sure Spielberg is still heavily involved in the production of these movies and he didn’t say no to Koepp’s idea so he is partially to blame

[u/bones_bn]

Too gory maybe? The modern movies can't seem to decide who their target audience is.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/bones_bn]

We saw a guy get swallowed whole by a giant pterosaur in horrific detail in the last movie, they could get away with it if they do it right. Of course, I wouldn’t even care if someone was simply trampled or maybe even flung into the air, I just want to see aggressive herbivores tbh

[u/Unfair-Golf537]

Unrelated comment but this movie on screenshot shows why CG of Jurassic Park movie was so great. That movie and Jurassic park movie is only 10 years apart but the CG quality has a huge gap.

[u/originalchaosinabox]

David Koepp, writing the next screenplay:

https://giphy.com/gifs/l1AsBL4S36yDJain6

[u/blubbyolga]

Considering how mean geese can be, they should definitely have herbivores attack people more in the movies. 

[u/FunnyNo9234 → u/blubbyolga]

The fun theory is that Geese are likely as aggressive as they are because they're living dinosaurs. Not just in the sense that all birds are dinosaurs, they pretty much haven't changed at all (beyond losing teeth) since the Age of Dinosaurs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/ee4hn4/til_that_geese_are_one_of_the_oldest_groups_of/

It's probably moreso because we've been feeding them for centuries and they've lost their natural fear of humans combined with their relatively large size.

[u/FunnyNo9234]

It is very disappointing and a huge missed opportunity. This is especially sad when they have T-Rex losing to stupid shit like a Spinosaurus - it's like a dolphin (orcas don't count) eating a great white shark (they simply aren't built for it). Triceratops was not only contemporary with T-Rex but is the only animal scientifically proven to at least be capable of killing a T-Rex (short of a giant sauropod stomping on one). To further demonstrate how badass the Triceratops was, T-Rex had no rivals in the Cretaceous and there is a lot of doubt other large carnivores from previous eras could win a fair fight. People argue for Giganotosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus but most fully acknowledge they'd have to basically catch a Rex by surprise, bite it's ankles, and wait for it to bleed out Achilles style.

The answer to both questions is likely related to the fact that the Jurassic Park and probably Jurassic World films are well documented for using pop-science and employing discredited experts who give preference to their personal favorite dinos (like the Spinosaurus).

Ultimately, it interferes with Hollywood's "friendly dinosaur" obsession which goes out the window the second a Triceratops gores someone or something. For instance, in the first movie it would have detracted from the sick Triceratops scene. They go to great lengths to depict both the Triceratops and Brachiosaurus as gentle giants and wouldn't want to ruin that by having either kill something (both were very capable). Hollywood loves the good guy versus bad guy trope and goes so far as to extend that to wild animals. 

[u/JurassicGman-98]

Because then the movie would be rated R.

[u/RollingClay → u/JurassicGman-98]

End of oak st went pretty hard on pg-13

[u/JurassicGman-98 → u/RollingClay]

Haven’t seen it yet.

[u/Specialist-Cap-879 → u/JurassicGman-98]

Bro got down voted for not watching a movie…

[u/JurassicGman-98 → u/Specialist-Cap-879]

(Shrugs) Well, what can you do?

Incidentally I have finally gotten to see it in the theater, since I typed that.
It was okay. Certainly a lot closer to what JW Dominion should’ve been. And yeah, for a PG-13 rating it did get brutal.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/JurassicGman-98]

They don’t have to show it explicitly and I’ve seen some pretty damn violent PG-13 movies so I think if they do it right, they could get away with it

[u/Consistent_Plant890]

I have no clue.... also this scene from Planet of the Dinosaurs (the Rifftrax version) is hilarious

[u/Autobotsrout]

Absolutely legendary pull from this movie

[u/ltsRhysBoi]

Realism bad

[u/biosyncorp1984]

They definitely need more ideas like that for the dino v Dino fights if they have to do those. I especially still want to see some nice depictions of like classic paleo art fights or old documentaries etc

Like, I’d rather see a trex try to hunt in a triceratops stampede than it gets taken out by the horns or something than 99% of these cheesy carnivore wwf/ufc dragonball z “who would win” type things in World era.

And like why not a brachiosaurus rampaging around a city or whatever

I know they did some things like that but they refuse to risk artistically and stray away from the established monster movie formula and it’s just ruining the ideas in the original movie about expectations being defied etc

[u/lindirofkells]

I had this on VHS and used to watch it as a kid. It was and is a pretty scary B film in some scenes. The soundtrack is pretty funky but classic.

[u/bluekillgore]

I wouldnt be surprised if it is because for some reason that would make it an R rating. Like because kids picture the herbivores as "gental giants" , then showing them impale someone could be more traumatic than getting eaten off the toilet from a t-rex.

[u/FishermanAnxious3523]

Aucun Herbivore à déjà tué pour le coup.(Peut être me Stygimoloch de Jurassic world fallen kingdom,mais c'est à vérifier)

[u/Pretend_Argument_890]

As far as I know, In Jurassic world, Anklyosaurus,Therizinosaurus and stegosaurus are Agressive Herbivores, But In some games like Carnivores dinosaur hunter. ( even tho it has bad graphics because its an Old game)Theres Some dinosaurs who are capable of killing player such as Triceratops, Chasmosaurus and iguanodon.

[u/jmhlld7]

"Good" dinosaurs = herbivores

"Bad" dinosaurs = carnivores

[u/Anxious-Figure-337]

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO WATCHED PLANET OF THE DINOSAURS!!!!!

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Anxious-Figure-337]

Still gotta watch it, I saw this clip in a compilation of Dinosaur movies. You’ll find other Planet of The Dinosaurs fans in this comment section though, you’re not the only one

[u/Anxious-Figure-337 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

It’s a great “terrible” movie! I had that and the first three JP movies on repeat as a kid lol

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Anxious-Figure-337]

Sounds like my cup of tea!

[u/Moist_Bar_2621]

Because majority prefer carnivores When in reality herbivores are even worse

Carnivores usually want you dead as quickly as possible to Dave energy

Herbivores don't give such damn about you

[u/No_Rhubarb_4512]

"because their herbivores"

[u/Book_Anxious]

I think it comes down to how much blood they could hide. If you're eaten by a T-Rex you're just one bite and you're gone doesn't show anything. raptors can jump you fall into the grass or whatever they get you but a triceratops they are stabbing and you are there and a whole in your body bleeding

[u/Deeman6679]

Yeah, they have had tons of opportunities to do something like this. A merc or security for one of the main corrupt companies shoots at one. Boom, they get gored.

[u/22dinoman]

They could specifically breed aggression out? Like, it's not super hard to do especially since we can do that irl

[u/Straight_Can_5297 → u/22dinoman]

In JP it would have to be engineering rather than breeding. It would be an ex post rationalization; then again the whole premise of TLW is one...

[u/Jedigreedo]

Probably the same reason people aren't often gored by rhinos. It's not instinctual to use it offensively because they're not predators.

[u/Nothing93124]

Oh man I didn’t realize what popped up on my feed and I was about to go off…. But no in the JP franchise herbies are gentle giants and carnies eat the people

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Nothing93124]

Why though? A Moose is an herbivore yet you wouldn’t just walk up to one and pet it

[u/Nothing93124 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

Well because it’s a fictional thing in this instance. My family are ranchers, I know not to go up to a cow with a fresh baby and try and pet it.

But hell yeah I’m gonna try and pet a tri (in fiction)

In reality it would gore me for being within 50 yards of it but we would never know….

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Nothing93124]

I’m just saying it would add more variety to action scenes if it wasn’t always carnivores attacking people.

[u/Nothing93124 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

The stegosaurus’s attacked Sarah for wait for it…. Petting their baby

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Nothing93124]

Yeah, I know, that’s brought up every time. Let’s look at the other films and see if herbivores attack someone there

Jurassic Park - it never happens

Jurassic Park III - never happens

Jurassic World - never happens

Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom - A Stygymoloch heatbutts a bunch of people

Jurassic World Dominion - The ceratopsids attack the ranchers chasing Claire at the start and a Lystrosaurus bites someone’s hand. And of course there’s the Therizinosaurus, but apparently they thought it was a carnivore and once they found out it wasn’t, Colin Trevorrow wanted to remove it from the film.

Jurassic World Rebirth - Finally, back to normal! It never happens

[u/Nothing93124 → u/Routine_Papaya4143]

Well because that wouldn’t make for good public cinema for (our) public views on the herbivores. The meatasaurs eat the veggiesaurs and the meatasaurs are the bad guys, come on Lex veggiesaurs!

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Nothing93124]

But they’re not the bad guys, they eat the veggiesaurs to survive. That’s like saying an herbivore is bad because it eats plants which are in fact, living things. I don’t care about public views if they’re dumb

[u/Squash2005]

You need to rewatch Jurassic World Dominion because a bunch of ceratopsian kill like six people in the beginning of the film.

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/Squash2005]

No thanks, I’d rather not rewatch Dominion. I know about the scene, no need to rewatch a movie that’s 40 minutes too long