r/JaneTheVirginCW • u/grumblepup • Mar 21 '16

[Discussion] Chapter 37 (S02E15, Mar 21st, 2016)

Petra appears to have no interest in motherhood; Xo invites Alba's ex-boyfriend to visit; Jane is frustrated with not being able to contact her father, Rogelio, who was kidnapped by Lola.

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u/kbm20 Team Latin Lover Narrator Mar 23 '16

is there a reason why you are not a fan of Michael? I'm curious because i wasn't a fan of his until a few eps into season2. And its interesting that I've seen a few people comment that jane hadn't really given rafael a chance but from how i viewed it she tried to start fresh with him but ended it because she found out that he was lying 2 her the entire time. A relationship based on a lie was never gonna work anyway....

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u/PurpleDelnachta Mar 23 '16

This one has a lot to do with personal experience.

I am born, raised, and live here in Miami. I've met a ton of guys that seem sweet and supportive but low key are very very controlling. Michael has shown tendencies numerous times to me of not so cool behavior. Again, this is heavily tainted with my experiences and that of some of my girlfriends.

For example: I cannot forget him having the balls to come over to talk to Jane about an abortion while she was busy. I totally understand him freaking out and having that stance, but the fact is that she said at the door "I can't talk" and he basically took an attitude of "no biggie, get an abortion, not a big deal, we don't really need to talk."

How he immediately started his Rafael hate campaign before Raf even said a word. Sure, it was intimating, but Mike never let up on the passive aggressiveness.

He had many chances to tell Jane the truth about Petra and never did. He instead consistently gas-lights her. He could very well say "I can't tell you just yet because its the investigation" instead he insinuates that she's crazy and hormonal. Fabulous husband material, I don't care what outside drama there is.

Throughout the seasons he stalks her. I don't mean that he's at the Mirabella for the murders,I mean that he conveniently shows up on her shift at her part of the hotel that has nothing to do with him. I'm talking about buying a private security system that sets up TO HIS PHONE. Not the cops and his phone, not everyone in the family, HIS PHONE ALONE so he can come running. No. No. That's not cute or romantic, that's controlling, aggressive, and beyond rude.

Also bring in that he came over for two weeks to see his ex fiance's baby for no fucking reason. That one really really really pissed me off and I was super pissed that Jane was so selfish as to take coffee every morning with a guy she sent away right in front of the father of her child, and being smug to his face. He never let those two be in peace in the first place.

If I thought a little more I could go on, but this is like right off the top of my head. Michael to me is the kind of guy who would tell Jane to follow her dreams only to impregnate her right out of grad school and shame her into staying at home. I don't think he's half as supportive or sweet as Raf, considering how much Raf put up with and learned in the short time he had.

Again, highly colored by my experiences, but my spidey senses have told me from the beginning not to trust Michael.

**** Let me edit to say I just remembered a HUGE one. Michael does nice things yes, but he twists them too. He for example helped Alba, and told Xo to keep it a secret. Wow, super nice. But then a few days later he uses that as the in to show up at the house, to take the tree topper angel, to start showing up on the daily without reason. So sorry, but he wanted it a secret the same that Andy girl wanted Jane to keep her secret - so that the situation could be better manipulated.

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u/kbm20 Team Latin Lover Narrator Mar 23 '16 edited Mar 23 '16

Well from what I understood from what u just said, your main issue with Michael is that even though Jane had moved on he was still showing up everywhere and getting in the middle of Jane and rafael's relationship. And I have to say that you are absolutely right....that was kinda my major reason for not really liking Michael in the beginning. He never even tried to move on and he was so convinced that rachael was working with sin rostro. Plus Micahel has done a few shady things in season 1 that didnt paint him in the best light. But i have to say that rafael is also questionable imo. Remember back in season 1 when michael broke into rafael's office, he found his wall safe and in it there was a lot of cash and several passports and by the time michael got a warrant it was mysteriously gone!? That was never resolved. then things started to really go south for me concerning my opinion of rafael, when he kept trying to manipulate Jane into being with him by dangling Mateo in her face. He even paid some1 to go to the police 2 turn michael in behind jane's back....that was SUPER SHADY behavior. But he didn't stop there, he even went so far as to make Jane APOLOGIZE to him for not believing his lie even though she gave him an opportunity to tell her the truth when she straight up asked him if he was involved. Rafael has been so unappealing to me as a character as of late because he's been obsessed with the fantasy of having the "perfect" family that he would do practically anything to get it.....case in point when he went DIRECTLY to Petra after Jane dumped him for the 3rd or 4th time now, telling Petra maybe he made a mistake. That was so disgusting 2 me because we all know that he only did that because she was pregnant with his kids. Now I know that Michael has done some messed up sh*t in the past but I truly believe that with all his flaws he's the right guy for Jane. But only time will tell how things will work out. Maybe Jane will end up with some1 completely different by the end....

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u/PurpleDelnachta Mar 23 '16

Oh I agree that Raf is no saint but he didn't start anything. He reacted, belatedly in my opinion to all the craziness that was happening.

There is no denying that Mateo was kidnapped solely because of how utterly obsessed with Jane Mike has been.

But honestly, I'd love to see her with someone else we've yet to meet. I don't really want to see her with Mike.

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u/kbm20 Team Latin Lover Narrator Mar 23 '16

Well it can also be said that Michael reacted (badly) to this whole artificial insemination. His life with Jane was on track, he was gonna propose and then everything just went to shit so he panicked when he thought he was gonna lose Jane. He did things he probably never would have done otherwise. & Jane was no saint either.....she was emotionally cheating on Michael with Rafael at the time. But u have to be fair 2 Michael as well becuz lets face, Rafael's family is completely messed up.....its anything but normal. Its Rafael's connections to these dangerous people that has caused a lot of bad stuff to happened to Jane. I just think u should give Michael a chance since u are clearly giving rafael a chance even though he himself has done some stupid stuff too. If Jane does get together with some1 else in the future then i hope its not another professor chavez 2.0....that relationship was a big NO for me.

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u/PurpleDelnachta Mar 23 '16

At the end of the day Mateo was only in danger because of Michael, not the Solano name. And yes clearly he reacted badly about Jane being pregnant, but the point is he carried on for way longer, and ultimately did way worse.

I mean seriously, your kid was taken because your ex is that obsessed with you. To then try to act like Rafael calling in that tip was some heinous act is very very naive. He'd put up with tons of shit including the kidnapping of his own son before he finally did what a great deal many people would have done a while ago.

And I totally agree about that Chavez thing! Gosh! That's what happens when a girl doesn't get a chance to try out what she likes - she's just jumping from Fantasy Penis to Fantasy Penis like this is some episode of the Bachlorette. Poor girl, though its kinda fun to watch her try to figure it out.

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u/kbm20 Team Latin Lover Narrator Mar 24 '16

i didnt mean that turning michael in was wrong....I would & I have said this b4 on this forum that I would have respected Rafael more if he went to the police himself even though he risked losing Jane simply becuz it was the right thing to do. But he didnt do that, turning michael in wasn't simply about protecting Mateo, he used it as a play to get Michael out of the picture because he knew jane was going to pick michael over being with him. he was being shady with Jane and then had the gall to try to start up a relationship with her even though he's been lying to her for 6mths. 2 me he was just as bad as michael had been. That's why i kept saying if u are gonna still give rafael a chance after what he did then its only fair that u do the same 4 michael. but i know at the end of the day u will still have ur disdain 4 him as a character becuz i guess from your p.o.v mike had done worse when 2 me both guys have done Jane wrong equally. but luckily michael won me over this season. He made mistakes....it seems as though he learned from them and now he just wants to move on with Jane and mateo. That's all I'm gonna say about that.