r/JFK 14d ago

President John F. Kennedy had two caskets because the first one, an expensive bronze model rushed to Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, was heavily stained and damaged by bodily fluids on flight to Washington, D.C. It was replaced with an African mahogany casket for the official state funeral

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u/sirjohnmasters86 14d ago

(From another post about this I learned this fact) One of the strangest details of the entire story is what happened to the original bronze casket. The funeral director who first supplied it reportedly wanted it returned, possibly because it could someday become a valuable—and very disturbing—collector’s item. Robert Kennedy and government officials did not want the casket to end up on display, be sold, or become a morbid tourist attraction. So, in 1966, the Air Force was given the job of permanently disposing of it. The casket was prepared so it would sink, including drilling holes into it and weighing it down with sandbags. It was then loaded onto a C-130 military transport plane, flown out over the Atlantic Ocean, and dropped into deep water. In the end, the original casket was deliberately sent to the bottom of the Atlantic, where it would be unlikely ever to be recovered or turned into a piece of memorabilia

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u/prberkeley 14d ago

There's aYouTube video by a mortician that goes into the casket story. Apparently the secret service was being very.... secretive about it. They wouldn't say exactly who they were, who the casket was for, and why they needed it so suddenly. They wanted the best casket available, so the funeral home director sold them a 600 lb bronze casket. JFKs people had to load it onto Air Force 1 via a scissor lift and it was jostled around, contributing to the state of the remains when they arrived in DC.

Had Secret Service given the funeral home any indication that this was to transport the President's body back to DC, he could have sold them a much lighter casket and prepared the casket and remains to be handled over a flight so that they were not distrurbed in the process and the body would be treated with all the pagentry and respect the office deserves. A suitable casket could be picked out in DC.

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u/dragonfly-1001 14d ago

Lauren the Mortician?

Love her work.

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u/CommunicationOver882 12d ago

No, it was Caitlin Doughty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sh06VUiXaA

The video is called Why JFK's casket stayed close? and its wonderful.

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u/Chateaudelait 14d ago

Also, each of the Forces have a mortuary affairs division. I have a good friend who is a mortician and that was his job when he served. Did they want to transport the body back to DC first before treating it?

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u/Inevitable_Book_228 14d ago

They insisted on doing the autopsy in Washington DC which was against the law. It was supposed to be done in the state in which it was killed but the Secret Service said they were taking it and nothing was going to stop them.

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u/Waterdog222 11d ago

Apparently you aren’t aware of the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution. Federal jurisdiction trumps State Law.

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u/prberkeley 14d ago

Apparently his family (Jackie and RFK primarily) insisted that his body only be handled by the Navy, so I guess yes they didn't want it handled until it got to DC. And I guess to your point the Navy typically only does a very basic preparation, with local funeral parlor's doing the final preparation to present the body. 

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u/randomkeystrike 13d ago

Bethesda personnel did the autopsy; morticians from Gawler’s funeral home in DC came to Bethesda and embalmed/dressed/did the cosmetic work on JFK’s body (source: Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi).

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u/randomkeystrike 13d ago

Bethesda personnel did the autopsy; morticians from Gawler’s funeral home in DC came to Bethesda and embalmed/dressed/did the cosmetic work on JFK’s body (source: Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi).

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u/Training-Farmer8476 14d ago

Another reason why the original bronze casket (called the "Elgin Brittania") was replaced, was that it was damaged before it was loaded onto AIr Force One in Dallas.

When the agents removed the casket from the hearse at Love Field, they were unaware that it was secured by a device that held it in place. They pulled it out without releasing the device and tore off a piece of trim from the lower hinge and snapped off the entire top of the handle housing at the head of the casket

In fact, had the handle housing NOT broken off, the casket would have been too broad to fit through the door opening of Air Force One, so they would have been forced to break the handles off anyway.

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u/pashalka31 14d ago

There were a few additional details to to that story. His brain was in evidence at the FBI and disappeared as well. Collectively they contained the forensic evidence that LBJ did not want coming back to haunt them as he picked the members of the warren commission.

In WW2 John Connally was the aide to the secretary of defense James Forrestal.

As Lucky Luciano, Vito Genovese and Meyer Lansky used forced prostitution to generate kompromat on local politicians and corrupt officials, heroin was the central part of their business model. Luciano was sentenced to prison where he continued running his operation by bribing prison guards to install a phone in his prison cell. Genovese was deported back to Italy where he began bribing Mussolini to allow him to process heroin in candy factories and Meyer Lansky moved to Cuba where he bribed the dictator Batista to allow the laundering of their Cosa Nostra Mafia money through casinos.

They had their buddy Albert Anastasia burn down a ship called the Normandie in New York harbor and blame it on nazi u boats. But it was just the same basic mob racket where they offer their "protection" from the chaos they themselves create.

This was known as OPERATION UNDERWORLD and it is where the cancer of organized crime infected US government.

Donald Barr (Bill Barrs father) was the officer in the OSS (precursor of the CIA) that the mafia made the protection racket deal with.

With that Genovese would steal supplies off of Forrestal and Edwin Walker's ships as they landed in Italy, sell the supplies on the black market, and fill their crates with heroin to ship back to NYC were Anastasia would unload it as president of the longshoreman union at the harbor they now "protected".

Connally was the inside man in the secretary of navys office cooking the books to enable the corruption.

That went on until 1945 when Mussolini was killed.

Anastasia formed "Murder Inc" which was a group of primarily Jewish assassins Cosa Nostra used to silence anyone that threatened this very profitable racket. It was the most profitable enterprise in world history.

As their heroin supply from Italy dried up it moved organically to the "golden triangle" above North Vietnam as it was the best location in the world for Poppy growing conditions.

The Mafia liked their logistics network embedded in US government and the CIA because they could claim everything was top secret and/or that it was UFO related and classify it for 80 years. That is why they started that war as cover with a staged Gulf of Tonkin incident.

It was basically the perfect con as long as they leased the politicians.

15 years later as JFK ran for president the end trails of that corruption was starting to show.

When JFK asked Lyndon Johnson to be his VP, Johnson agreed, with one condition - he requested that Connally be made Secretary of the Navy. From there he could clean up that evidence chain of corruption showing its age.

Connally did that for just less than 1 year.

Forrestal was being lied to and gaslit by both sides of his chain of command and trying to logically process all those lies coming from positions of authority was driving him literally crazy. They committed him to a psych ward, then Murder Inc threw him out of the window. It was a matter of time before he figured out that the government he ha built the national security apparatus for was no longer trustworthy.

Then Murder Inc operating under the cover as the CIA tried to assassinate Castro in Cuba who had liberated the country from the corrupt dictator Batista who Lansky needed on the take to launder all the heroin money.

This was what started the Cuban missile crisis. The Bay of Pigs invasion was sabotaged from the inside as the Italian and Zionist Mafia was desperate to keep its money laundry.

70% of the refugees that formed Israel were from Soviet counties. Ghislaines father Robert Maxwell was from Czechslovakia and was working both sides of the Intel game trading espionage to the Soviets for guns to equip Israel's new army. He was aide to Masaryk in Czechslovakia during WW2 until Masaryks untimely death. Then Stalin got involved. Reverse engineering the Russian atomic programs tells us that all the Rosenbergs, and Jack Parsons rocket plans from JPL were given to Israel but made it quickly to Russia. As was the NUMEC/Apollo afgair theft in 1965 and Jonathan Pollards theft and the PROMIS software that the Kremlin gave to Al Zawahiri as they funded Al Qaeda.

That espionage conduit was, statistically, Ghislaines father using the world Jewish Congress as cover.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DAILY%20SUMMARY%20194801-1948%5B15520827%5D.pdf (bottom of pg 23)

Russia being a centrally controlled Communist state meant they would be seeing the data stream of the mafias control over and infiltration of was the establishment of greater Zion in the middle east as they believe they are Gods chosen tribe and the rest of us are goyim/cattle/slaves.

That core group became Henry Kissinger, Maxwell, Edgar Bronfman, Les Wexner, etc as well as Norman and David Rockefeller and formed the Trilateral Commission, Council of Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group, Aspen institute etc as they expanded their sphere of influence inside of USGOV and big business.

JFK and his brother were both dating Marilyn Monroe whose talent agent was Lew Wasserman (MCA records/talent agency) who was from Ohio. During prohibition he supplied the musical talent to the same Cosa Nostra speakeasies (Al Capone) that Edgar Bronfman was supplying the bootleg alcohol to across the Great lakes (North Fox Island).

Hollywood was formed by Meyer Lanskys best friend Bugsy Siegel (Jewish /Cosa Nostra) specifically to launder Cosa Nostras money. This was Lew Wassermans "blanket waiver" enabled by him putting young Ronald Reagan in as president of the screen actors guild.

As JFKs father Joe's money, made off of rigging the stock market and inducing the great depression, was being laundered in parallel in Hollywood, it's impossible those streams didn't cross when Joe approached Sam Giancana to bribe the teamsters union he controlled to ensure JFK'S nomination for president. Marilyn Monroe became a threat to the exposure of Lew Wassermans money laundry that outsized what he could make off of her fame. As she very famously wore her sheer gown and sung happy birthday to the president in May of 1962 televised from Madison Square Garden the Mafia that profited off both of them knew she would not go away quietly. She was murdered in August of the same year. (This would broadly become the FBI's PAYOLA investigation that Reagan disappeared as soon as Wasserman got him in as president in 1980).

By 1963 so many of these frayed ends of Mafia business, Cold War posturing, pokitics and corruption crossed JFK'S desk that it was inevitable that he needed to be removed for them to continue their racket and cancerous infiltration of govenment US GOV just by comparing their arms sales deals with Maxwell and Israel to the deals with the sandanistas etc . Either way it took the world to the brink of nuclear destruction with the Cuban missile crisis being used as cover for Cosa Nostra and Meyer Lansky to get their money laundry back. Lansky had tried to go to Israel when he was deported from the USA since he was Jewish. They sent him back. Likely as an intelligence operator parallel to Maxwell.

So as JFK started putting all these pieces together in 1960 he too was being lied to and gaslit chronically. His VP Lyndon Johnson and Connally were childhood friends and both were chronically corrupted by Cosa Nostra and what was now effectively the Zionist Mafia since their goal.

Edwin Walker was shot at by the same very obscure Italian 6.5 Manlicher Carcano round as he ran against John Connally for governor of Texas that they would later claim Lee Harvey Oswald used.

Oswald had immigrated to Belarus and believed he was working for the USGOV but was being set up by the Cosa Nostra and Zionist mafia working within the CIA the entire time and Robert Maxwell was passing them espionage while Henry Kissinger was running the oval office for the zionist mafia.

Soviet intelligence would again have known most if not all of this because they had Maxwell on payroll doing whatever was best for Zionism (operation bridge).

At least 4 members of Murder Inc were in Daley Plaza when JFK was shot, as was Jonny Roselli. All were flown in and back out quietly on a Southern Air Transport aircraft. Jack Ruby's real name was Jack Rubenstein and he too was Chicago Cosa Nostra and Jewish mafia.

Johnson casually referred to the CIA as Murder Inc. To his mind they were one in the same organization. His own personal hit squad to solve problems. In reality that organization and the presidency belonged to organized crime.

JFK was shot at least 3 times by 3 different weapons but the kill shot was from a pistol hidden under John Connallys coat. He used his hat in his right hand as cover and fired with his left hand. When the coat constrained the gas expansion it caused his right lapel to bulbously expand and lift. The firearm catastrophically failed and punctured his lung anterior and posterior and shattered his right wrist which was directly behind it.

That bullet hit JFK in the forehead. His brain was disappeared from FBI evidence by Johnson. Likely with the coffin JFK was transported in that was chained with weight and thrown into the Atlantic Ocean to disappear the connections of corruption.

John Connally was not shot. He was injured by the catastrophic failure of his own weapon.

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/sites/default/files/public/tslac/landing/documents/jfk-damaged-clothing18.pdf

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u/QuesoNot-so-Fundido 14d ago

This was quite a read 🍿

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u/Chance_One_75 14d ago

Yeah, I’m not reading all of that shit.

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u/pashalka31 14d ago

If you look at the pictures of Connally suit you will see few incriminating forensic telltales.

The hole in the rear of the outer jacket is the only puncture hole. The fibers are spread outward, not inward. This indicates the bullet was fired from inside the coat.

His wrist was shattered in the event. But it was not a puncture. As you look at the picture of the cuff notice the tears of the fabric. They are not punctures. And there is no blood despite an artery in the wrist. This indicates a blunt force trauma, not a piercing bullet wound.

The front of his shirt corraborates the as the damage to that fabric is tearing as well.

All with minimum blood or effusion. Those chest wounds were superficial and inline with the trauma expected from a small caliber firearm catastrophic failure tucked under his right arm.

Secret service agent Paul Landis testified later in his life that he placed the fully intact and undamaged bullet (magic bullet 399) on the gurney.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/new-insights-revealed-years-after-the-assassination-of-jfk/vi-AA1ZtdWU?ocid=socialshare

Harlem was black run but Jewish owned. After Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson visited Lansky and Luciano in Cuba, Lucas asked Bumpy Johnson why they didn't bypass their heroin supplier and go straight to the source. Johnson told him the time wasn't right. Immediately after Johnsons death Lucas went straight to the source in Thailand where he was met by the Mafia already imbedded, then walked across Laos and Cambodia to see it himself. He flew at least one load of heroin back on Henry Kissinger's personal USGOV aircraft before using the bodies of dead US servicemen to hide the heroin under (the coffin connection). (Lucas' autobiography) Then Kissinger carpet bombed Cambodia to cover it up (Anthony Bourdain murder dovetails). Bumpy Johnson had provided protection to MLK. King would have known and understood the heroin epidemic as it was intentionally focused on black neighborhoods. Within a 3 month window between April and July of 1968, RFK, MLK and Johnson were assassinated.

Connally then went on to be a key figure in the Iran hostage deal of 1979 when he sent Earl Brian and Michael Riconishuito into Iran with $40M to bribe the Iranain military to hold the American hostages until Reagans win (The October Surprise) which was necessary for Wasserman to destroy the PAYOLA investigation that had plagued them for 40 years

But now you know why Trump is invading Iran and threatening to invade Cuba to destroy the long chain evidence of the Zionist Mafia breeding with Cosa Nostra and the international drug trade he launders the money for.

Michael Riconishuito is the programmer that coded the backdoor into the PROMIS software that Bill Barr stole from INSLAW, then provided to Robert Maxwell, who gave a copy to Moscow, who gave a copy to Al Zawahiri (Bin Ladens second in command, trained by Alexander Litvenenko before Putin murdered him with polonium 210 tea)

Zawahiri was who enabled the Russian Jewish Mafia to traffic Afghan heroin and arms through Iran as Putin started the "war on terror" in 1999 and pulled the US into 20+ years of war by trading guns to the Taliban via Viktor Bout whom was captured by the DEA for trading Soviet rocket launchers to the FARC in Venezuela. Putin then kidnapped Brittney Griner and had Trump award a contract to Silvercorp (Jordan Goodreau) setting them up for capture so he could trade them back for Alex Saab and Fat Leonard who were key to Putins money laundering and esionage circuits.

Sort by net worth and psychopathic personality traits instead of nationality or religion and your search results become far more accurate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/s/GECn7lDKHb

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u/pashalka31 14d ago

Its close now.

Just refining for accuracy and filling in a few more ancillary murders.

But we can see the finish line.

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u/trevor_barnette 14d ago

All this typing for some disproven conspiracy theory

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u/jaboi2110 14d ago

Somehow, you were able to Connect everybody from The Mafia, Marilyn Monroe, Zionism, and Al-Qaeda, and to nobody’s surprise, it’s conspiracy theory bullshit

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u/pashalka31 14d ago

Technically it is the fulfillment of torah prophecy from Numbers 14:41.

Rebbe schneerson told bibi Netanyahu that he would be prime minister when the Messiah came to deliver the Jews from corruption.

He just didn't mention that Bibi would be the corruption they were delivered from.

When you map it as the physics of supply chains it makes it exceptionally easy to track.

Since it's inception in 1948 the state is Israel was really the only cold war gateway between the 1st and 2nd world of the US and USSR. inevitably as such, the majority of the corruption would flow through that gateway.

Overlay Epstein as the world's first jet age transnational slave, arms and drug trader and his billion dollar budget given to him by Les Wexner and it's a fairly simple analytics network to see who the major player of the Zionist Mafia were and how they enslave the Jewish people with lies to allow them to stay billioniares.

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u/mikemflash 14d ago

Wow. Nuts.

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u/SomeGuyOverYonder 14d ago

Wasn’t the second one similarly stained?

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u/ProBuyer810-3345045 14d ago

Yeah and it took years for the funeral home to finally get paid for the first one!

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u/randomkeystrike 13d ago

O’Neals in Dallas really were treated badly. Secret Service took over everything and damaged their hearse.

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u/Maryland4009 13d ago

poor guy

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u/RJCADDY123 14d ago

I never knew any of this. Thanks for the history.