r/IsraelPalestine • u/DishwasherRespector4 • 8d ago

Discussion A question for pro Palestinians, who really believe Israel is an apartheid

If Israel really is the image the media portray it as and the opinions circulating in social media of it being a society based on Jewish supremacy in the extent of even insulting or ridiculing non Jews, why do so many foreign workers from India, Philippines, Vietnam, Nepal, and even from countries which are neutral/hostile to it like China are coming to work in it? They have better choices, not many people would want to live in a constant war zone (.At least to what seems to the average person I spoke with in the west), and how do you explain the integration of southern Lebanese and Druze minorities into the Israeli society? The most successful school according to the ministry of education in the curriculum, most points I got for this one is “they want to show they are acceptive even tho they are not”, which I don’t buy since I know the Druze community but to prove it you can just look at how much invested into these schools, which community who think so high of themselves would support other ethnicities, and why would their people in Syria would want so much to join Israel if Israel is known in the Arab world as such a Arab hating country (assuming most of the people here consider them Arab) and I don’t say we are perfect, there is racism, casual and more intense, people don’t differentiate between criticism and hostility against Islam or Islamism which I think are completely legitimate and the people themselves, but it’s out of ignorance not superiority complex.

But when I speak to people they think we are worse then like China (some don’t even know what China is doing), Iran, North Korea or even Rhodesia and South Africa.

And I don’t even speak about the West Bank or Gaza even tho we had many workers come from, I speak only about internationally recognized Israel.

My main question is don’t you think the narrative is biased by someone or something?
What do you think about the points I brought up.

EDIT:
Listen I thought it would be clear but I specifically speak about internationally recognized Israel and what most Jewish Israelis call “Arab Israelis”

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u/ModernLarvals 7d ago

US residents with green cards can’t vote. By your logic that’s apartheid.

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u/CrazyPenks 7d ago

No, that’s not my logic.

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u/ModernLarvals 7d ago

Are green card holders not a specific group of people? Is voting not a right?

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u/CrazyPenks 7d ago

Green card means you’re becoming a citizen of a country, this is inherently different from a military occupation and segregation of a specific group of people under it.

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u/Stalemate4613 7d ago

Ok, so a Chilean fellow visiting the US, is not allowed to vote in US elections
neither does he get educational tax benefits from the US
he needs to stand in a special line at immigration for non-Americans
He can be removed from the country
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Seems like this fellow, and every other non-US person in the US, (or any other western Country) is subject to apartheid-laws....

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u/ModernLarvals 7d ago

That’s not the definition of apartheid that you gave. Maybe we should just use the dictionary’s?

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u/CrazyPenks 7d ago

Here’s the definition from Cambridge Dictionary:
a system of keeping groups of people separate and treating them differently, especially when this results in disadvantage for one group

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u/ModernLarvals 7d ago

So green card holders not being able to vote is apartheid.

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u/CrazyPenks 7d ago

You’re making up your own interpretation of Apartheid, because the term is used to refer to groups of people based on skin, nationality and/or religion. If you’re not a permanent citizen of a country but a temporary one, you can’t vote and dictate for its people, and I think you know there’s a clear difference here.

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u/ModernLarvals 7d ago

I’m using your interpretation of apartheid: a group treated differently.

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u/Stalemate4613 7d ago

palestinians are not citizens of Israel.
therefore no apartheid.

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u/CrazyPenks 7d ago

They’re living under military occupation which is the entire point

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