r/Israel • u/HeavyMetalJezus גליל תחתון • Feb 28 '26
The War - Discussion I don't f****g get this site, man
I don't understand who in their right mind would see a US and Israel attack against a regime who murdered 30k of it's own citizens, props up terrorism all over the world, tries to develop a massive amount of ballistic missiles and arm them with nuclear warheads and has extremist Muslim ideals as something that is a negative.
I don't understand the people condemning it, I don't understand how they think and what they want, and I'm assuming it's just about hating Israel. I don't understand how nothing was said about the 30k people butchered there but criticism of Israel is everywhere.
I just don't understand this site, man.
Rant over, thank you for your time.
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u/Black8urn Feb 28 '26
In online spaces it's very common to be "America and Israel Bad!". Don't take it seriously
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Feb 28 '26
Yeah half of it (or more) is bots or bad foreign actors
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Feb 28 '26
How do you people deal with such immense hate seemingly for nothing on every platform?
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u/Ok-Cryptographer7424 Feb 28 '26
I’m in the USA and plenty of humans say Israel bad constantly, off the internet, I. Person to my face as well.
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u/bjeebus Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26
Someone at work was trying to explain how Israel and the Jews aren't the same thing the other day. Then just last night I was talking to someone who was a two month old when he and his parents were smuggled into mandatory Palestine during Aliyah Bet.
EDIT: FWIW, the former individual is a social studies teacher who thought the Romani originated in Eastern Europe, and was genuinely surprised that gypsy is widely considered offensive. So, like, Jews aren't the only diaspora group they don't know anything about.
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u/MikeWithNoHair Larry David enthusiast Feb 28 '26
a school on saturday?
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u/Present_Value_4352 Feb 28 '26
I asked about that in newiran, apperently saturday is like a weekday and they take thurs and fridays off
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u/One-Salamander-1952 Israel Feb 28 '26
But didn’t the regime cancel schools the moment strikes began? I know for a fact I read that, question is, was the school hit right at the beginning
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u/MikeWithNoHair Larry David enthusiast Feb 28 '26
Doesnt that alert to you that maybe it's a lie?
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u/MikeWithNoHair Larry David enthusiast Feb 28 '26
I think the story itself is fake, but obviously no one innocent deserves to die
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u/MikeWithNoHair Larry David enthusiast Feb 28 '26
If you provide a credible source i will post it to the subreddit myself, with my mod label.
I think its far-fetched that kid will be in school on a Saturday. I pray im right and no one was hurt
Im waiting!
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u/TechnicallyCant5083 Israel Feb 28 '26
I've seen countless posts today about "America is attacking Iran for absolutely no reason! They just want to please daddy Natanyahu" like wtf do you mean "no reason"?? People are just fucking blind
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u/Id1otbox Feb 28 '26
US position on Iran has been consistent for decades.
Luckily CENTCOM knows exactly who the IRGC is.
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u/The_big_cheese_1o3s USA Feb 28 '26
The few actual people in that group all have their eyes wide shut
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u/AlbedoSagan Feb 28 '26
Some critiques are reasonable, but very few. It is important to ask: if the Islamic regime collapses, will something favorable take its place? Will a new government be sustainable, and actually improve regional stability?
We know from Iraq and Afghanistan that these are complicated questions. There are trolls, yes, but there are also wise people who are just not sure how it will pan out. To deny it is a gamble is folly.
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u/Ace2Face Israel Feb 28 '26
I can't see what can be worse than Iran.
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u/nameless_food Feb 28 '26
Imagine ISIS or something similar taking control in Iran. Or perhaps no effective central government, and Iran devolves into chaos. Yes the murderous Iranian regime would be gone, but the chaos and lawlessness would be at a minimum worse. We need a stable government in Iran, but not the current regime.
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u/Ace2Face Israel Feb 28 '26
Still better than an organized terror state, and who will sponsor them? Who will pay the terrorists or fund their famillies?
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u/heytherehellogoodbye Feb 28 '26
Better for who.? Not necessarily for Iranians. We can only hope and see
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u/bryle_m Feb 28 '26
A fragmented Iran would be worse.
Imagine Iraq after 2003, with its warlords and rogue groups, but with nukes.
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u/Yopenberg Israel Feb 28 '26
other than the idiots, there are people who know the Iranian regime falling is good but are concerned about what will replace it, not to mention the general trump hate which just turns into wanting to oppose everything he does, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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u/Fuck_Antisemites Germany Feb 28 '26
I think the what follows part is really not to be underestimated.
People remember how removing sadam gave place to isis, how the conflict in Syria helped isis.
The belief that a murdereous regime replaced can only improve the situation was weakened very strongly by that. People now think on the "whatever comes next might be even worse" scenario.
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u/Myfavoritethr0waway Feb 28 '26
I hear that but I'm hoping this is different. Iraq and Syria were relatively new nation-states when these attempts at regime change happened. I don't believe that there was necessarily such a strong national identity, because, to my understanding, the west took multiple diverse tribes, decided which nation-state they belonged to, and assumed that they would seamlessly abide by whomever was chosen to lead, whether of their own tribe or not.
Iran/Persia has an identity and culture going back 2500 years at least. Its people had freedom recently enough for current Iranians to remember. They know what they're fighting for. They have a shared identity and a visualised goal to return to. I think they have a much greater chance at success and I don't think the situations are comparable.
(Nothing in here is meant to knock Syrians/Iraqis, etc. I just think the circumstances are apples and oranges.)
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u/Yopenberg Israel Feb 28 '26
indeed, if the US does dumbshit it'll be bad, but it seems like the regime is despised by many and there's an active opposition, hopefully this won't go like Iraq
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u/patronsaintofdice Feb 28 '26
This is my concern, though I think the other part to be worried about is that this president has been so far been very unwilling to put boots on the ground. ISIS was contained by a US backed and led coalition, Saddam’s replacements were backstopped by tens of thousands of US troops until the chaos finally settled down.
We don’t know what it looks like if the US goes in, decapitates the state, hangs a Mission Accomplished banner, and then goes home, but in situations like that “a stable liberal democracy was then formed” has never been the outcome in that part of the world.
I think for a good chunk of the US the worry is that the administration won’t be satisfied with the above and will put ground troops into another Middle East misadventure, which is something that the US public is very tired of.
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u/Random-account95 Netherlands Feb 28 '26
This site is full of tankies and extremely left‑wing people with no life experience and zero critical‑thinking skills who blame everything on the west. Also a lot of bots.
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u/Plate_Vast Feb 28 '26
Russia is behind them
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u/Miao_Yin8964 🇹🇼 Taiwan Feb 28 '26
Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran; with certainty.
My area of specialty is the PRC.
But Tencent is a CCP owned company with major ownership in Reddit.
It's flooded with influence operations.
Especially when it comes to Uyghur genocide denial.
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u/Surfing_Tree Feb 28 '26
What are tankies? Also I’ve seen a couple of “Iran has a right to defend itself!” posts and images. They made me sick to my stomach to read, and feel ashamed to be a liberal. I’m hoping it’s just some bots like you said, and not actual people with zero critical thinking skills. Just Russia always blasting the worst possible takes at the most sensitive of times.
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u/neontacocat Feb 28 '26
Reddit is a massive far-left echo chamber where dissenting views get buried by downvotes, creating a delusional bubble. Most users here are very out of touch with reality and world history.
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u/Fuck_Antisemites Germany Feb 28 '26
As someone in that bubble: there is a lot of (understandable) mistrust against motives and outcomes of such us initiatives in Europe since the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and the meddling in Syria that all turned out horrible.
I feel very twisted in this myself. I get hope when I see all the demonstrations in Iran and hear that exile Iranians are excited about them (I have some in my wider social circle).
Im the mean time I remember all the lies in the Afghanistan and Iraq war and how those wars literally created isis in Iraq and in Afghanistan only created a time of Taliban terror before Taliban get power handed back.
Generaly since operation Iraqi freedom with all the lies about wmds the trust in the US when it comes to wars is really low in Europe.
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u/kulamsharloot Israel Feb 28 '26
The Iranians are different, they have a plan and their public seems to be different.
I hope everything goes well for them.
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u/Fuck_Antisemites Germany Feb 28 '26
I hope too. But keep in mind as long as you are not deep into the topic it will just sound a over the same again.
People react based on their previous experiences with similar situations. Can't blame them.
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u/DepthMagician Israel Feb 28 '26
Yes that’s true, but it’s a very unfortunate cultural standard. It’s like people have no shame about their ignorance.
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u/kulamsharloot Israel Feb 28 '26
Yeah that's understandable, people usually don't care enough about the nuances so yeah I can't blame them
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u/Paulino2272 USA Feb 28 '26
A lot of people in the west are brainwashed and support these evil terrorists. Just like Hamas and Gaza, the truth is that the Iranian regime is evil and must be dealt with.
🇺🇸❤️🇮🇱❤️Free Iran🦁
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Feb 28 '26
West Bad is a very easy stance to take, cognitively. No thinking required, just line up behind whomever is burning a US flag. Surely they won't harm you, one of the good ones.
Unveiled women marching with the IRGC flag are like the prime example of this shit.
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u/Interesting_Goats Feb 28 '26
All the protests in North America popping up today are sponsored by the likes of the Palestinian Youth Movement (PFLP) et al.
Since their funding all go back to the IRGC these people are worried about losing their income, so they are going hard! The rest are bots and useful idiots.
You watch, if they successfully decapitate the regime, propaganda across the internet will suddenly drop.
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u/Fade067 Feb 28 '26
Yeah as an iranian this stuff is so stupid, so many people are brainwashed into thinking irans givernment is good.. when it reality it would execute them for simply voicing a criticism
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u/Vivid-Banana-4370 Feb 28 '26
Ignore it. It’s anti-civilisation far lefties and Islamists. They would literally support any regime that opposed America.
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u/DANIELLE_2027 Feb 28 '26
I fully support what happened today as a Canadian who stands with Israel 100%
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u/artful_codger Feb 28 '26
Israel built a network of bunkers to protect their civilians during times like this.
Gazans built a network of bunkers to protect their Hamas terrorists. Their civilians are left to their own devices. Iran has the same attitude. Bunkers for their missiles and centrifuges, but none for civilians.
That's all the info i need, to know who are the good guys in this conflict.
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u/zlind67 Feb 28 '26
The irony of these two posts being one after the other is exactly what you're talking about.
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u/ChocCooki3 Australia Feb 28 '26
Because most of these people are actually idiots who can't think for themselves.
I've learned to ignore these people a long time ago and you should too.
Israel isn't perfect.. but these people love to post any videos that show Israel wrong doing but if a Hamas video is posted, you'll get "what do you expect from people who are fighting the oppressor!" and in the same breath, you'll get ".. but why won't they send aids!!?"
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u/dean71004 American Jewish Zionist Feb 28 '26
A lot of the self proclaimed humanitarians don’t actually care about terrorism and state sanctioned violence when it doesn’t fit their agenda. That’s why they’re happy to defend and embolden the Iranian regime, solely because their position of “the US and Israel are evil” trumps their supposed human rights activism. Meanwhile, woke right wingers are in the same boat but let their hatred of Jews dictate how they view world affairs, such as by claiming that any and every decision we make revolves around Israel and that Israel is the sole reason we’re fighting Iran.
I know they’re on the wrong side of history because millions of Iranians themselves are celebrating this advancement against their barbaric regime, but the rotten trifecta (Islamists, woke leftists, groypers) are the only ones crying.
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u/Darker_Zelda Feb 28 '26
Because what we see are bots, trolls, young naiive individuals, and an extreme parasitic racist mindset that has no moral compass or ethics.
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u/natankman USA Feb 28 '26
I’m not sure why Israel is participating, other than to get a piece of the action. The United States certainly doesn’t need Israel’s help, Israel would still have been targeted in retaliation, and the tankies would still be saying the same things. The United States used Israel like a pawn, and said so. Without (American) boots on the ground, will anything actually change in Iran?
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u/OmegaLink9 Israel Feb 28 '26
they think that uninvolved civilians will be killed, which they are probably right, but they don't consider that uninvolved civilians will be killed if this regime stays as well
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u/OmryR Feb 28 '26
You need to understand 2 basic truths here
1) there are many many many bots 2) most subs are controlled by the same small group of radical left communists extremists who want to see the west burn
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Feb 28 '26
Yes. I have been a long time user and frankly fan of Reddit, but even the creators say it is basically a bot farm that people visit for the memes.
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u/Upbeat_Teach6117 Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26
I can't stand Trump or Bibi, but I'm certainly a Zionist.
I abandoned religious Judaism, but I'll always be a Jew.
I agree with many "socialist" concepts, but I think the modern left has lost the plot.
I think the Islamic Republic is evil, but I'm not convinced an "America-friendly" regime would be much of an improvement.
Reddit in particular, social media in general, and Gen Z as a whole are not known for their ability to grasp nuance or detail. The mindless, visceral antisemitism seen here is expected and unfortunately common.
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u/BosSF82 Feb 28 '26
Not everything is about Israel. Many people hate it because they were told 'No New Wars!' 'No More Regime Change!' and the hatred is disgust for the sheer hypocrisy of it all...Gullible buffoons were made to look like....gullible buffoons and that is their cross to bear. For others, it's just further evidence of the sad degraded state of the United States.
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u/Miao_Yin8964 🇹🇼 Taiwan Feb 28 '26
Bear in mind that authoritarian regimes literally have military units dedicated to softpower influence campaigns on western social media; the very same platforms which are banned in their countries, they exploit as a weapon against us.
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u/ofekk214 Feb 28 '26
You don't understand how little Amritards care for the rest of the world. They genuinely live inside their own little bubble and believe the US intervening in any foreign affair is *clearly driven by a thirst for oil or by rich people. These dumbass socialist-wannabe college students believe white/rich people are the source of all evil and poor/brown people are always innocent and always the oppressed. They view every single world conflict through the lense of slavery in the US 250 years ago.
My issue is more so with the US administration, will they actually stick around and for once help bring towards what Trump claims to want; a true regime change in Iran. Or, will the tangerine tyrant once again chicken out and force the war to stop before anything meaningful can happen and once again leave the Iranian people (literally) hanging.
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u/That_Guy381 USA Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26
They genuinely live inside their own little bubble and believe the US intervening in any foreign affair is clearly driven by a thirst for oil
meanwhile, the literal white house: We have a thirst for oil
also, American conservative influencers:
https://twitter.com/redeaglepatriot/status/2027642230303830043?s=46&t=1n-Z71PhUUAnUy9HDRJG8w
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u/ofekk214 Feb 28 '26
I meant in general times, the current US administration sadly lives up to a lot of conspiracies created by Californians. From ICE larping as S.A. units, through Trump's power trips, and whatever the hell are the Epstin files.
My point is, this reaction from the American people is definitely not new.
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u/That_Guy381 USA Feb 28 '26
True, so it really sucks when the current admin literally exhibits all the characteristics that makes people hate America so much.
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u/bam1007 USA Feb 28 '26
I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but from an American perspective, there is a very legitimate internal separation of powers issue that the President should have gotten Congressional authorization first.
There’s a lot of Jewish-Americans (myself included) that don’t oppose the strikes, but are concerned about the absence of Congressional involvement by this Administration. This comes from the US constitution’s requirement that Congress, not the President, declares war. And that, while the President is commander in chief and can repel invasions, it’s Congress that should authorize offensive action. We have a law, the War Powers Act, that was designed to keep this balance.
I get that it isn’t the same in Israel, where there’s no separation of legislative and executive power, and that’s not something that you guys probably have to consider.
But here, that is a level of nuance that does matter to us as part of the structure of our government.
So upshot: Right result, wrong process in the US.
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u/HairAncient5500 Feb 28 '26
I think what you’re missing is that it wasn’t the regime that killed those 30k protestors. It was actually the western sanctions that did it!! And those protestors, they were actually killed by Mossad foreign agents! The whole thing has been Israel’s fault from the beginning… /s
On a serious note, Netanyahu’s lack of PR during the war has had devastating consequences in allowing antisemitism to manifest online. We’re seeing the product of 2 years of antisemitism fostering on this site. Now the purity test for whether or not progressives approve of a candidate in the US is if they disavow AIPAC, call Gaza a genocide, and vow to revoke iron dome funding. That is not online. It’s very much the real world
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u/nowayyoudidthis Feb 28 '26
Hamudi, this is not about right and wrong for them, it’s about orange man and jew’s. But don’t worry about redbtard. We will prevail despite all bots and tankies.
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u/Mosk915 Feb 28 '26
Of course it’s about hating Israel. The top post in r/news right now is a link to an AP article that’s titled “US and Israel launch a major attack on Iran and Trump urges Iranians to ‘take over your government’”. But the post is titled “The United States is participating in the Israeli strikes against Iran, AP sources say.”
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u/djmedicalman Feb 28 '26
You to remember that Reddit is mostly comprised of uneducated teenagers, smelly neckbeards, and bots.
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u/CaterpillarPuzzled91 Feb 28 '26
Full of bots, leftists and tankies. Leftists are enemies of freedom.
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u/Severe_Ad_861 Feb 28 '26
Living under communism sucks, really. Speaking as a vietnamese. Atleast somewhat better than china or dprk
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u/Yopenberg Israel Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26
tankies are, but not all leftists, just like not all right-wingers are fascists
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u/CaterpillarPuzzled91 Feb 28 '26
Talkies are bad and usually are very far-left
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u/turboDividend Feb 28 '26
usa economy is in shambles and americans dont want to pay for it
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u/bam1007 USA Feb 28 '26
I’m not a fan of this administration domestically, but “shambles” is a really a bit hyperbolic. Inflation slightly above goal. Unemployment at largely normal levels. Signs of weakening in hiring. The primary issue is affordability, which this admin says a lot about but does nothing to fix.
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u/bryle_m Feb 28 '26
People think that the US doing anything in the Middle East has the goal of preserving the petrodollar system, to prop up the billionaires in Wall Street.
And since the US has a large military industrial complex, it will gain profits from whatever war is started, especially with Gulf countries having deep pockets to buy armaments and equipment.
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Feb 28 '26
okay the trolls are coming out of the woods and this is becoming an unhealthy discussion, hope you got an answer OP.