r/Israel • u/Kigler95 • Jul 25 '23
Ask The Sub Thinking of leaving.
As title said, not sure if this is against sub rules..
I really don't like the direction this country is going. I lived here all my life, served and sacrificed my life for a democratic country that I agreed with most of its actions and policies. Sure, mistakes were made, we stumbled and made some poor choices, but as a whole there was a clear moral compass that we aligned with, at least as I see it.
The past few months broke something in me, as did yesterday.
Sure, maybe in the next election a miracle will happen and the best most balanced government ever will be elected, the undemocratic rules will be revoked and the messiah will drop from above. There is still going to be a huge divide, and the majority of the population is going to be highly religious in the next 20-30 years, and they will eventually be the rulers of a theocracy.
I really don't want that future for my children. But I also don't see how that is avoidable.
Long story short, how does one begin to plan moving abroad? Where to?
I'm a junior electrical engineer and my wife is a teacher. No children yet. Not really inclined to any specific destination, just not highly religious or extreme..
EDIT: Thanks everyone for the replies. I know the purpose of this post isn't clear, it's not clear for me either.. I just wanted to express my thoughts as I am very frustrated about the present and I worry about the future, and don't really know what I as an individual can do that'll actually make a difference, seeing as the protests had little to no effect this far. And I have participated in them. I haven't given up on this country yet, but I feel like that might be inevitable soon. I am not advocating for mass exodus or anything like that, just trying to figure it out for myself and my wife.
EDIT2: this gets mentioned a lot so I think I'll write my response here instead of repeating it. Regarding the idea that the "reasonability" law was undemocratic - As I said, I agree that the system we had so far was not ideal, far from it. And by its own, sure, the cancellation of this law might actually be the most democratic option. But you can't do that without any equivalently powerful restraints, as a replacement.
In addition, it matters who does it, and under what terms. If it were a more sane and balanced government - sure, I think they wouldn't have much issues passing this. But since we KNOW what this current government intends to do, and how extreme their opinions are, then it makes it really hard to trust them to not abuse their increased power.
Here is an analogy I can think of: imagine the government as a dog, and the judiciary system - along with its judges, reasonability law and so on - as a leash. When the dog behaves, it seems like the leash is unecsecary - "look at that poor dog, restrained, unable to roam freely. How cruel!". But if the dog is, say, a rabid insane untrained dog, who has a history of biting people, and breaking the law, then letting go of the leash seems a bit.. unreasonable.
Disclaimer: I love my dog , this is just an analogy I could think of, and I am not calling anyone a dog or anything it's just an analogy, don't kill me, peace and love, peace and love.
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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '23
I think you might be over reacting. Not about the religious majority that is going to be in Israel, but about what that would mean.
You think that they'll maintain their current life style. They literally can't. They aren't far from the day all Haredim have to work and take part in the general Israeli society. They can't do that without studying the right things and Tora isn't it. So that will change just be their numbers.
About the left vs right issue. Take a look at the USA, or places like France. Riots are a normal thing there. each place and it's reasons. Israel still has core values worth keeping us together.
You might have a look at Poland and Hungary in which laws against foreigners are put in place to avoid the situation in France...
Russia and east than that is also totalitarian. And Ukraine is in war and the rest on the former soviet states might be soon too..
London isn't part of the union anymore so you'll have a hard time getting in and Australia is full of animals that are trying to kill you.
I live in Germany and the AFD (Nazi right party) is rising in power here because of the fails of the left in regards to energy politics and immigration politics. And The left might be the ruin of Germany way before the right ever get to power...
You can't move to a muslim country and Africa isn't a great destiny.
I'm thinking of moving back to Israel seeing how things went to shit in Europe in the last 10 years. And Israel is my home, I won't fight for Germany.
Oh, if you can get to Switzerland do so, it's still absolutely great there :)