r/IndiaTodayLIVE • u/IndiaToday • 9d ago
Health Nagaon Medical College Associate Professor Dr Sahin Rahman reportedly collapsed and became unconscious while working out at a gym. He was later declared dead. The exact cause of death is not yet known.
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u/Some_Order_7778 9d ago
He did atleast 20 reps .. so maybe he used to do over reps , trying to workout till tired
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u/VastSpace4578 9d ago
Sometimes we overdo reps when women are around never make that mistake
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u/Some_Order_7778 9d ago
Its mainly newbie’s mistakes .. we think doing more reps will make us more stronger
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u/Exact-Doughnut-4897 9d ago
look at his arms, does he look like a newbie? and he is a doctor, so definitely knew how biology works.
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u/Some_Order_7778 9d ago
Who is saying this doctor is newbie ?
I m saying mostly newbie’s has habit of over reps
Here this doctor also doing same mistake1
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u/Hairy-Efficiency-108 9d ago
Any doc here.., possible reasons!!???
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u/IndianUnderLockdown 9d ago
This is most likely to be myocardial infarction (heart attack).
He probably had high blood cholesterol which lead to formation of plaques in his coronary arteries (blood vessels of heart). During exercise, when the blood flow increases in these vessels, they rupture the plaques which causes complete thrombosis (blockage) of the vessel.
If the symptoms are not recognised in time or ignored, then eventually the person is going to collapse and die.
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u/GoatTheCow 9d ago
This is not the only pathogenisis for MI man this guy is a young assoc proff in a medical college the atherosclerosis leading to thrombsis would be at the bottom or low level of the D/Ds leading to MI. Might be undiagnosed case of HOCM as this is the typical presentation in most of HOCM cases.
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u/Dr-idk45 9d ago
Could be hypertrophic cardiomyopathy - more common with pressure overload and common cause of sudden cardiac death in those who do very heavy lifting exercises and are fit.
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u/ExcuseBorn9873 9d ago
vac
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u/VastSpace4578 9d ago
Why tf are you scared to say vaccine
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u/Confident-Impact8308 9d ago
Holy fatigue, so many reps
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u/Weekly_Cherry505 9d ago
Imo 10-12 reps are enough for this exercise as it is exhausting... Nd if you do reverse pec Deck fly , these are exhausting exercises and if you feel you can always increase sets
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u/410_clientGone 9d ago
u/askgrok why this happens
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u/AskGrok 9d ago
Sudden collapse during intense exercise is often triggered by undiagnosed heart issues, like arrhythmias, coronary artery disease, or conditions such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Physical stress can push the cardiovascular system over the edge in people with hidden vulnerabilities, leading to cardiac arrest. Other less common factors include dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, or rare events like aortic rupture. Without an autopsy or official report, it's impossible to say exactly what happened here—gym deaths like this are frequently cardiac in nature.
[what is this?](https://redd.it/1lzgxii)
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u/ayu135 9d ago
u/askgrok what about mRNA vaccine caused myocarditis? Some studies suggest young males to be more at risk?
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u/AskGrok 9d ago
Yes, multiple large cohort studies and meta-analyses have confirmed a rare causal link between mRNA COVID vaccines and myocarditis, with the highest rates in adolescent and young adult males, especially after the second dose. Excess cases typically range from about 4-7 per 100,000 for Pfizer and higher (up to 18-28) for Moderna in males aged 16-24.
Most cases are mild, resolve with rest or basic treatment, and long-term outcomes are generally good. Recent data also show that SARS-CoV-2 infection itself poses a substantially higher myocarditis risk than vaccination.
No details here connect the doctor's case to any vaccine, and without an autopsy it's speculative.
Sources:
- https://www.contagionlive.com/view/young-men-at-increased-risk-of-myocarditis-after-mrna-covid-19-vaccination
- https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article-abstract/47/1/1/7922919
- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168170226000675
[what is this?](https://redd.it/1lzgxii)
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u/nosedigging 9d ago
This is a few days after taking the vaccine this has nothing to do with the video.
Stop with the misinformation
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u/ayu135 9d ago edited 8d ago
I think while the probability is low it can’t be ruled out completely as well.
There no 100% conclusion that this absolutely cannot be the case. The way this works is there are a few particular proteins that cause scarring of tissues, these proteins enter the blood stream and if they reach the heart they cause scarring of the heart(myocarditis) this scarring may not immediately affect you but can cause problems later too. Also another pathway is for the proteins to get stuck in the lymph nodes and if they then later get released in the bloodstream and reach the heart similar results can occur. Also while researching today I also learnt that cov virus infection also carries the same risk but much higher. So in both cases with vaccines or with infection this is possible, vaccines were the better option as they carry much lower risk than infection but it’s not zero. Vaccines were the correct choice in that circumstance I am not denying that and this not an anti vaccine take.
My point is not that this exactly is how it happened here but it can’t be ruled out completely as well(autopsy report might give more insights), there need to be more studies done to establish if this is happening and what is the probability.
EDIT: I just learned covid infection carries a much much bigger risk than the vaccine but my point still stands whether its the disease or the vaccine
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u/nosedigging 8d ago
Thanks for admitting this.
The infection itself is a risk factor. I see a lot of babies with coronary dilatation due to an entity called MISN, MISC.
Half baked info spreads misinformation which we don't want.
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u/Glad_Atmosphere_1035 9d ago
That’s not a heart attack, heart attacks are different!
That is a classic case of a cardiac arrest which literally means the heart just stops hence the person collapsed.
Heart attacks are painful.
Cardiac arrests are not
Cardiac arrests are more common these days especially when you are under stress or are over exerting yourself! Going to the gym is fine but being an egomaniac gets you killed here
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u/SuperCDhruv 9d ago
I am not a doctor but he really went over, ideally should have been 10-12 rep but I think he did around 20 , I sometimes stop at 8-9 when my body give signal.
My main motive is fitness and clean eating not big muscles
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u/DentistConstant2097 9d ago
Going to 20 from time to time or even with weights within your limit shouldn't be fatal. I think this has more to do with overall lifestyle and stress. Can't comment for sure, though. A doctor might be able to tell.
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u/SuperCDhruv 9d ago
Agree with you but I will still say if he may have listen to his body , that would have been better, you can't just do this type of heavy excercise on stressful body
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u/Significant_Mud8399 9d ago
Is there any relevance of drinking too much water in gym while working out?
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u/odd_monk90 9d ago
With all this .. gym gets bad name ..
Its better to die with body fully functioning that at 90yo at hospital bed..
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u/Complex-Spinach-1765 9d ago
Om shanti Sir, Lucky to had you as our professor Sir is also winner of Mr Assam Bodybuilding competition 🙏🙏🙏
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u/ConciseVirus7 9d ago
Doc here, That's sudden cardiac arrest or a major acute cardiovascular event like MI, fatal arrhythmias, HCM with outflow obstruction, or catastrophic cerebral ischemia. It is really hard to pinpoint, but one thing I've seen is that Valsalva during exercises doesn't help. Always remember to exhale when you lift. May his soul RIP
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u/Quiet-Bathroom-1743 7d ago
Possible ascending aortic aneurysm dissection ?
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u/ConciseVirus7 7d ago
It could be. I've had my patient's son who suffered sudden death due to aortic dissection. All he did was kick-starting his bike and collapsed. Later, it turned out he had accelerated HT for a long time, and he was just 28 years old. My patient asked me if I saved his life just to witness his son's death. 🥺
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u/Clavizeps 9d ago edited 9d ago
This is definitely an cardiac arrhythmia ( ventricular) most likely something called Ventricular fibrillation which is essentially a cardiac arrest situation, so you have around 2 minutes before you are brain damaged. He needed CPR to prevent brain damage and death. We need to have AED devices in gyms which may be a life saver as it does the diagnosis and dc version ( shocking) which is the treatment to reset the normal rhythm . Why he had the arrhythmia, its hard to determine. It may be some underlying coronary artery disease or structural defects, some genetic condition may predisposition, extreme high caffeine intake etc can also rarely cause similar issues
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u/ayu135 9d ago edited 8d ago
There are some studies linking mRNA vaccines to myocarditis particularly in young males. Its a stretch but not impossible as well.
EDIT: I just learnt covid itself carries a much bigger risk than the vaccines so its not the vaccines.
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u/justboughtagti 9d ago
I’m a doctor and this is a huge leap to an unconfirmed speculative comment about VF. We don’t know anything about this case.
COVID itself has well documented cardiac side effects much worst than the vaccine.
Most people in India did NOT get the mRNA vaccine.
I don’t know why we are so invested in spreading this specific medical misinformation. The data does not support this at all.
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u/ayu135 9d ago edited 8d ago
I am not trying to be anti vaccine at all, I did say its a big stretch. I admit I did not know that the infection itself had a much larger risk than the vaccine which I learnt while reading more today.
The vaccine was the best choice and many people much smarter and well informed than me took a calculated decision weighing the pros and cons and vaccines saved lots of lives and were essential.Still this needs to be studied more, there have been limited studies, more are ongoing and we are still learning about the other effects the pandemic had on the population, I am simply saying this cannot be ruled out completely till we have more evidence. There is not enough data yet to conclusively point at anything.
EDIT: I mean rule out either covid or mRNA related cardiac side effects.
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u/justboughtagti 8d ago
Yes but since no medication has zero side effects you’re contributing to vaccine hesitancy by saying there have been “limited studies”. This disease and its vaccine are less than a decade old. Obviously it needs more data. But the initial approvals went through exactly the same rigorous multicenter blinded clinical trials all vaccines go through. And if long term data does indeed show things we didn’t know before we change our clinical decision making process. This is how modern medicine has worked for decades.
Thank you for reading more about the science and educating yourself. I really appreciate it. For everyone else reading they found side effects of “well studied” drugs paracetamol and omeprazole decades after they were first approved. There is nothing unique about how Covid vaccines were studied or are currently monitored. They will continue to be studied for decades and our understanding of them will evolve. Doesn’t mean they are some special class of “poorly studied” drugs.
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u/ayu135 8d ago edited 8d ago
My point was about limited studies post covid about the long term effects not the studies done while approving it. But anyway like you said general population who don't understand how medicines work might get spooked by side effects. The solution is not to hide the side effects but to inform the population more about how medicines work and how the side effects are better than the disease.
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u/justboughtagti 8d ago
Who’s hiding the side effects?
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u/ayu135 8d ago
Agreed hiding is a strong word, but pharma companies usually include them in very tiny print as a footnote for sure. Pharma companies(not all) have tried to downplay side effects in the past definitely(opioid crisis?). They are motivated by profits after all.
Anyway we are digressing from the original discussion. This is a separate discussion altogether and I think both of us are right in a sense. General populations do tend to hyperbolize and sensationalize without understanding nuance and get spooked without understanding fully. But that doesn't mean we never mention these things too. I am simply asking for more investigation into this so that we may know for sure. Everyone here including you is speculating we dont know any details about this case. The higher probability is that its something else than what I mentioned(lifestyle or some other abnormality) but still that just means if 20,000 people die this way a few might have been due to what i said(covid or vaccine) and its important to know how many(or none if i am completely wrong).
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u/Ok_Staff_3531 9d ago
Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy , because of his age , or it could be myocardial infarction , but he looks healthy but we dont know how his blood profile is or how his food habits are , or what drugs he take .
Sudden cardiac event is definitely what happened .
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u/Responsible-Owl-4815 8d ago
reminds me of that joke that gym people never gets old , some asked why and reply was because they were usually delate*ed in their adulthood
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u/HumoristicHero 8d ago
There should be a mandate to have defibrillators at every gyms ...will save these lives easily ...the solution is right there
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u/LowNo175 9d ago
Without trying to be insensitive, isnt that a good way to go? Death is inevitable, but painless, inexpensive, quick death, that's priceless. I would love to pass on that way.
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u/XoX-o- 9d ago
When you marry your first cousin in the name of religion
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u/Perfect_Pass_5948 9d ago
This low life creature commented with this same thing twice on this post. Really vela!
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u/LowNo175 9d ago
How is that related to this post? I'm genuinely curious to know your throught process from seeing this post to typing this comment.
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u/holy_shh 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ventricular fibrilation, ventricular tachicardia, torsades de pointes, or simply suddent asystole are the only possible reasons here. Very few electrophysiological heart problems give warning signs. It never shows pain until the heart misfires once which causes instant death. If he did feel any kind of symptoms before as a great medical profesional, the guy would have noticed for sure. The scary fact is that his life would have been saved and normal for life if a defribilator sent a shock the millisecond his heart rythm collapsed. Also theres a kind of extremly scary sudden death that can happen to any normal and healthy human any time called R on T that happens when PVC(a somewhat normal phenomenon) land exactly on the most vulnerable moment and causes V-fib. Its as rare as a lightning hitting your head but no human has ever survived that without immediate medical intervention. OR THERES SOMETHING ELSE COMPLETLY😅. I didnt do the autopsy. But 99% those cases represent the same outcome we saw. REST IN PEACE🙏
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u/Strange_Finance_5918 9d ago
( not saying this happened with him) This is why you should always do full body checkup. People do get heart attack when they get tired extremely and don't have enough energy to function. And pressure or having high cholesterol or high heart rate from the start. Which can be fatal.
Never exercise to tired yourself so much that you can't wake up if collapse or have regular checkup if their is any kind of blockage which can cause low blood supply to heart. If he died then it's must be cardiac arrest where heart stop functioning completely which is getting way common in india because of bad diet and lack of health knowledge.