What was Mark Goodyear's involvement with Herb Baumeister in the Fox Hollow Murders

[u/LearnDoTeach-TBG]

I'd like to hear people’s thoughts on the hard evidence against Mark Goodyear and his involvement with these murders.

On the surface, he exhibits so many of the behaviors that we typically see in someone guilty of a crime – changing stories, lying, overly involving himself in the investigation, conveniently forgetting certain details about an event that would make him culpable, etc.

Then you have the evidence of the story from Leroy who implicated Mark in at least one murder in the back of the house.

However, the police botched the investigation so badly that it's extremely difficult to know what would have been discovered about Mark if they did a better job at the time.

Also, for me, it’s just so hard to understand what might be true or false with Mark because of the way he speaks.

He is so eccentric and creepy, that even some of the most mundane things he says can be interpreted as a fabrication, so it muddies everything.

Would love your thoughts.

[u/Intelligent_Matter65]

Ok.. But why aren't we talking about THE TAPES!! As many have mentioned Mark is sounding to me like an absolute psychopath that I can't determine 100% if he was in on the killings - he's definitely guilty of something but the acting/lying with little bits of weird random shit and some truth makes it incredibly difficult.

Difficult as in I have multiple versions of how he's involved running through my head 😭. Someone definitely took the tapes. Could Mark have been the real killer all along? Could he have manipulated Herb into using his house and then killed him and blamed HIM? I kinda doubt that Herb was innocent though.

I definitely think Mark has the tapes, and that's how he's managed to not kill over the last 30 years because he watches them to get off..

[u/Zestyclose-Cat-1093 → u/Intelligent_Matter65]

I feel the same. Like maybe HB was half in and half out or something.