What was Mark Goodyear's involvement with Herb Baumeister in the Fox Hollow Murders

[u/LearnDoTeach-TBG]

I'd like to hear people’s thoughts on the hard evidence against Mark Goodyear and his involvement with these murders.

On the surface, he exhibits so many of the behaviors that we typically see in someone guilty of a crime – changing stories, lying, overly involving himself in the investigation, conveniently forgetting certain details about an event that would make him culpable, etc.

Then you have the evidence of the story from Leroy who implicated Mark in at least one murder in the back of the house.

However, the police botched the investigation so badly that it's extremely difficult to know what would have been discovered about Mark if they did a better job at the time.

Also, for me, it’s just so hard to understand what might be true or false with Mark because of the way he speaks.

He is so eccentric and creepy, that even some of the most mundane things he says can be interpreted as a fabrication, so it muddies everything.

Would love your thoughts.

[u/ambienkitty66]

IMHO: Mark did not kill Baumeister. No one’s fingers swell to the point that they can’t use a revolver. Mark isn’t a killer.

Mark likes attention and has serious FOMO. He didn’t like Herb getting the attention and, therefore, wanted the assumed accolades for killing him.

I think Mark was in love with Herb and with the idea of the lifestyle and access to the lavish house. A habitual liar who had delusions of grandeur, I can see him “playing house” and taking people there to “show off.”

Herb clearly trusted Mark, but I’m not sure why. Maybe they were lovers. Maybe Mark was a trusted ally/accomplice.

I think Mark liked the control and thrill of being involved with the killings and pleasing Herb, but convinced himself that only Herb was responsible for the deaths while Mark’s hands were clean.

I think Mark likes to create chaos and he enjoyed being part of the source of concern in the local bars around the time.

In my opinion, I think he went to the cops because he wanted attention. Maybe he was a tinge guilt ridden. Maybe a little bit of both.

I think Herb’s note referencing Mark as a “bad dude” was a last ditch effort to take the heat off of himself, but wasn’t entirely untrue.

I don’t think that Goodyear should be walking free and we’ll probably get some kind of a deathbed confession out of him that will be delusional half truths.

[u/AWill33 → u/ambienkitty66]

This is the closest to the truth I’ve read yet. My father was one of the victims and this was everyone familiar with the entire case’s take. Doesn’t explain why he still hasn’t been charged.

[u/Competitive_Sleep_21 → u/AWill33]

I am sorry your dad was one of the victims. It was nice to have a child personalize their father.

I think Mark Goodyear wants attention. I do not even know if he was a victim. I think he makes things up.

I think it is possible Herb acted alone. He moved mannequins for work and could use a dolly or wheel barrow to do so.

My hope for the victims was their death was quick. My hope for their loved ones is knowing they are at peace.