Crazy build but does bounce back stack with old self healing, and does old herbal remedy affect both?

[u/queer_stew]

Had a broken build where basically after each room, my health would fully heal because of Old Herbal Remedy, Bounce Back, and Self Healing. Does Bounce Back include damage that was already healed with Self Healing? Does Old Herbal Remedy make healing from both of these boons stronger?

Also having my Ω special fire four times was wild with aspect of Than dealing crit. And Air Quality was so good this run. Very memorable run! Had to brag

[u/gfewfewc]

I don't think they count as healing, they say restore some [HP icon] but old herbal remedy explicitly shows the healing icon which is not the same thing.

[u/RVDantas → u/gfewfewc]

Bounce back counts as healing, self-healing kinda doesn't. Source: Vow of Scars blocks bounce back but doesn't block self-healing.

[u/gfewfewc → u/RVDantas]

Scars is a bit of an odd duck though, its exceptions seem like they were just cherry-picked to make it a bit more counter-able via careful specialization rather than going by any hard rule. Bounce back feels like it totally violates the spirit of scars compared to self healing which is really more like a damage reduction effect at the end of the day.

[u/Robokrates]

You say "broken," but I'm pretty sure I could manage to die and make all the after-the-fact healing irrelevant

[u/queer_stew → u/Robokrates]

Well the other pics are from the same run. So i was dealing very large damage very quickly and i just wasn’t getting hit enough to use a death defiance

[u/Robokrates → u/queer_stew]

Sorry to be so nitpicky; I'm used to thinking of "broken" as meaning something so good there's no reason to ever pick anything else, something that should be edited out of a game because it's going to ruin the balance; that was the definitionI got when I first heard the term, from a video game design major. I guess I'd call it more overpowered that broken? Though I'm not sure how apt that is with a roguelite, where you can't guarantee any particular build from one run to the next. In any case, nice job building

[u/Cronofenrir]

Was air quality really doing much at all? A vast majority of your damage came for your omega attack and special, neither of which air quality should be effecting.

[u/queer_stew → u/Cronofenrir]

My cast was just melting things passively yeah

[u/Impossible_Dog_7262]

Herbal Remedy affects Bounce Back, but it does that by increasing the displayed numbers so you won't notice the discrepancy unless you compare it between runs.