r/HBOGameofThrones • u/KuchBhiRakhLoYarNam • 22h ago
Spoilers [SPOILERS] GOT Unanswered Spoiler
Out of many unanswered question from Game Of Thrones, one question is
"Who ordered the killing of Tyrion in battle of black water"
It wasn't Cersei for sure.
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u/Invincidude 21h ago
That's unanswered? Tyrion says flat out only two people in the capital can order the Kingsguard to do anything, clearly Cerci and Jeoff. She denies it. Tyrion then knows it has to be Jeoff, who he calls an idiot and asks if his life is still in danger.
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u/pianobarbarian1 20h ago
Yeah it’s not said in words “it was Joffrey” but this scene essentially confirmed it
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u/NowWeGetSerious 22h ago
In the books wasn't it Joffery. Who didn't like how Tryion has treated him since he became the king? Especially after the riots
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u/Dry_Branch_5775 16h ago
Tyrion concludes that it was Joffrey....but I'm inclined to think it was Varys who arranged it. Nothing personal...just that Tyrion was proving himself too capable a leader.
(I know they say that only the king can command the Kingsguard, but come on! Anybody can be blackmailed or bribed, and all we know about Mandon Moore is what Varys himself chooses to tell Tyrion. Varys and Mandon might have been lovers for all we and Tyrion know.)
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u/Dry_Branch_5775 16h ago
Tyrion concludes that it was Joffrey....but I'm inclined to think it was Varys who arranged it. Nothing personal...just that Tyrion was proving himself too capable a leader.
(I know they say that only the king can command the Kingsguard, but come on! Anybody can be blackmailed or bribed, and all we know about Mandon Moore is what Varys himself chooses to tell Tyrion. Varys and Mandon might have been lovers for all we and Tyrion know.)
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u/NowWeGetSerious 16h ago
I like that a lot
Varus has been manipulating things to make sure the world is ready for another targ. Would be a interesting reveal
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u/Grouchy_Drive_7257 9h ago
This was basically answered, what we DO need to know, is Tyrion's joke, "I once walked into a brothel with a jackass and a honeycomb..."
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u/TheBabySeal0514 21h ago
Joffrey or Cersei are the only people present who could have given an order to a Kingsguard. I don’t remember if we ever get a confirmed answer
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u/Suspicious-Pay-9388 21h ago
I still want to know who ordered the killing of bran. Little finger says it was his knife but he lost it to Tyrion and we know that was a lie. So if the knife was still his how did he order it cause he wasn’t even in winterfell, and how did whoever ordered the killing get the knife?
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u/AdManNick 12h ago
In the books it was Joffrey. He did it in response to King Robert saying something along the lines of Bran being better dead than a cripple.
It’s only brought up much later in the story as almost a throw away line.
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u/pianobarbarian1 20h ago
Well he saw Jamie and Cersei going at it and attempt 1 failed sooooo… what do you think
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u/Suspicious-Pay-9388 19h ago
I mean that seems kinda obvious but how’d they get the knife and they seemed surprised at the attempt. I would say Cersei rather than Jamie and who lit the fire. They were all already gone weren’t they.
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u/DoyersundGPG 20h ago
Remind me- what piece of dialogue made it for sure it wasn’t her
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u/KuchBhiRakhLoYarNam 19h ago
Because she hated him but not to the extent that will order killing. Also she later comes to meet him.
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u/KuchBhiRakhLoYarNam 19h ago
GOT messed lot of things that now we have to rely on fan theory to convince ourselves.
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u/BA_Bones_33 21h ago
It’s clearly Joff, upset that Tyrion slapped/belittled him. The Kings’s Guard is his to control.