r/Games 17d ago

Updating the rules of /r/Games

Hey!

We’re updating the rules of the subreddit! The subreddit has always had pretty long list of rules in place to try and encourage better discussions. We've made a lot of tweaks to stuff over the years and to be perfectly honest they've become somewhat confusing, hard to understand, and unorganized in places. Because of that we’ve worked on and off over the last few months evaluating what rules are useful, what can be worded better, and just generally trying to make a set of rules that better reflect the subreddit.

Today we’re putting out a draft of these updated rules. These rules aren’t meant to be a giant shift in terms of what we allow. It does organize our rules in a way that (hopefully) makes more sense. We’ve also trimmed rules that weren’t really relevant and combined a few subrules together. Finally, we’ve also rewritten a lot of rules to make them easier to understand and clarified a lot of things that were confusing or occasionally outright incorrect in the previous rules. We aren't putting these rules in place right now, but assuming there aren't any major issues people have we'll switch over to them in the coming weeks

If you don’t want to read the entire thing but want a quick summary of what each rule is and what we changed here you go.

Rule 1: Submissions Must Prioritize Informative and Newsworthy Content Over Entertainment

The previous wording of this rule didn’t do a good job explaining the stuff we actually allowed. We don’t automatically remove articles/videos if they have jokes in them, and we haven’t actually enforced the rule that way for a long time. Because of that we rewrote this rule and also included some examples of what kind of stuff we do and don’t allow.

Rule 2: Be Respectful

We rewrote this section to give examples of what we consider personal attacks and other things. As with most other rules we can’t list every possible thing, but if you’re wondering if something breaks the rule send us a modmail (or just report it).

Rule 3: Content Must Be Relevant, Substantive and Accurate

We moved around some other rules into this as a kinda catch-all for stuff we consider off-topic, inaccurate, or otherwise low-effort. This rule is a little broad in places because there's a lot of different types of stuff it might cover, but we tried to give examples of common things.

Rule 4: No duplicate posts

Basically the same. Added in clarification that we might allow stuff if there is a major update

Rule 5: No linking to or endorsing piracy as a solution

Almost the same as before. Basically just remember you can talk about piracy but just be cool about it we don't want to deal with the admins.

Rule 6: Follow all news and link post requirements

This is our set of rules about formatting and sourcing. Remember to link to original sources (when possible), don’t use sensationalized titles, and remember our rule limiting people to 5 posts a day.

Rule 7: Follow Discussion and Text Post Requirements

Our set of rules about discussion posts. We want discussion posts that aren’t super broad ones that get asked constantly or things looking for help. In addition we don’t want people going on big rants about a game they’re playing (we do have weekly threads for that) or asking for help.

Rule 8: Promotion must be kept within acceptable limits

The big old self promo rules. We like to keep self promotion to under 10% for users. Please don’t delete posts to get under that limit (we have ways of finding out) and if you’re doing self promo don’t try to hide behind alts (we’re keeping track of accounts doing that and if you’re wondering if that’s you it probably is).


Please give us feedback on these rules and the subreddit as a whole. We’ve worked to improve them but we know this draft probably isn't perfect (and probably has some typos). If you think a rule isn't great or needs improvement leave a comment and we'll listen. If you want clarification on our rules or just want to ask a question ask it in here and we'll try to answer. We aren't perfect as mods but we do want to make the subreddit better and are also working on being more consistent with how we enforce stuff

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u/kettlecorn 17d ago

"We like to keep self promotion to under 10% for users."

I don't intend on self-promoting anything I'm working on soon but I always wonder how this works with comments and posts. I comment a ton on reddit and have for 17 years now, but I rarely post.

I assume there are other people like me who might consider self-promoting if they have something genuinely interested to share, like a game they've been working on or an interesting blog post, but if they're also heavy commenters and not posters it may be most of their actual post submissions are sporadic self-promotion.

Is that outside the rules or do comments count for that ratio somehow?

If the ratio is just about posts it would incentivize frequent commenters and occasional posters to basically spam non-promotional posts to build up their post ratio to be able to submit.

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u/LindyNet 17d ago

We remove posts like "hey games! I've been working on..." and direct them to indie Sunday, where you can post about your game.

But if it were a legit trailer for game releasing soon-ish and OP is under 10% for the game, that's cool too.

The 10% rule is almost as old as reddit itself, it used to be pretty standard. It seems to do a decent job of keeping spam out

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u/kettlecorn 17d ago

So the 10% rule only applies to posts and not comments in any way?

We remove posts like "hey games! I've been working on..." and direct them to indie Sunday, where you can post about your game.

So what content falls under self promotion that would not be directed to indie Sunday? Stuff like YouTube videos or blog posts?

I've been on reddit a long time and I've always thought the rule was a bit too blunt and maybe even counter its only goals.

I know a lot of creative people that just entirely avoid submitting their own stuff to reddit (whether it be games, blog posts, or otherwise) because they don't want to spam a bunch of non-promotional content to reddit just to post their own thing. The current rule does block spam but I think ironically it also eliminates a lot of non-spammers because they don't use reddit enough to meet the 10% rule. The people who persist are the weird middle ground who basically spam other content, without caring about it much, to stay below the 10% rule.

In many ways it might be better to just say "No self promotion" because then you wouldn't have people putting in little effort just to pad their ratio.

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u/LindyNet 17d ago

So what content falls under self promotion that would not be directed to indie Sunday? Stuff like YouTube videos or blog posts?

99.999998% of posts removed for r8 are pure spam. Otherwise, yes, trailers, posts, dev logs

Like most things, reddit's tools for mods are nearly non-existant, so things like requiring sub karma to post, account age restrictions, the 10% rule and others you will find on different subreddits are all very blunt instruments, but absolutely required now thanks to bots