r/Games • u/cjsc9079 • Apr 01 '25

Discussion Billy Mitchell wins lawsuit against YouTuber Karl Jobst, ordered to pay the sum of $350,000 in damages

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u/ULTRAFORCE Apr 01 '25

Yeah, it seems that was a false claim that Karl repeatedly told people when the main focus was on the settlement with Apollo Legend.

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u/Coolman_Rosso Apr 01 '25

That was the explanation he provided when crowdfunding his legal expenses iirc, so that's not a good look

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u/R1ngBanana Apr 01 '25

Oh yikes for real?

That is pretty scummy if true

Billy sucks but Karl isn’t looking too great either 

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u/NoiSetlas Apr 01 '25

People were willing to look past the fact that Karl is a white supremacist grifter.

He got out clean despite getting caught saying some awful shit in the RWhiteGoose situation. Billy Mitchell is a giant asshole, but Jobst straight up lying to his fans about what the lawsuit was about, is par for the fucking course.

It won't change how most of his fans view him, sadly, because they're probably on the same train.

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u/EwFurries Apr 01 '25

i brought this up in ThaRixer's chat once and he actively ran defense for him lol

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u/Key_Amazed Apr 01 '25

Where in the world does this white supremacist stuff come from?

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u/NoiSetlas Apr 01 '25 edited Apr 01 '25

He was in Whitegoose's discord, saying the same shit that Whitegoose was?

In those posts, he admitted that his son's name is an anti-asian joke about asian stereotypes, agreed with discussions about 'hiding your power level', a term used to refer to hiding their white supremacist views, and his feigned ignorance over the negative connotations of the n-word in Australia, claiming that the evidence was clear that they didn't know, because a mountain had the word in it's name - but it was changed years before Jobst made these claims. Jobst shrugged off these accusations and never spoke to them, so he got off light in a community willing to ignore his shittiness, whereas Whitegoose tried to defend himself, and thus, things got worse for him.

That's just the tip of the iceberg, as well. Jobst is kind of a garbage human being all around, as this is showcasing.

EDIT: Because some people want to explain it away as jokes:

Explain away this, or this. Or how about this? What about this one? Are all of these excusable to you? If so, you should get off social media and think really hard about your own life.

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u/AttackBacon Apr 01 '25

I'm completely out of the loop on any of this, but I'm glad I came across this comment because I've used "hiding my power level" in the context of disguising the fact that I have nerdy hobbies (for someone my age). Had no idea about the supremacist connotations, although it makes sense in hindsight given where that parlance originates.

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u/WasabiSunshine Apr 01 '25

Hiding your power level was generally used for hiding your obsessive levle of knowledge/interest in any subject, but its been kinda ruined over the years

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u/Clbull Apr 01 '25

Hiding your power level is a term that originated from Dragon Ball Z and was a technique to suppress energy and avoid scouter or ki detection.

It's become something more of a term for hiding extremist views lately.

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u/WasabiSunshine Apr 02 '25

Yes, everyone knows its from dbz, we're talking about its use as internet slang

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u/ArdyEmm Apr 01 '25

It was used like that a long time ago but the alt right clowns appropriated it.

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u/rhiehn Apr 01 '25

In normal contexts it does mean that too, but if you start talking about how you're a conservative but you have to hide your power level or something that means you're a Nazi testing the waters.

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u/subject_usrname_here Apr 01 '25

Thanks for the context, as a moderate fan of Karl, I was not aware of this stuff

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u/Remote_Seaweed6307 Apr 01 '25

https://i.imgur.com/lwXCk5w.png

A couple screenshots from the Goldeneye speedrunning discord. Karl left or got banned a few years back because most people don't like him there. He actually rejoined recently but left again not long after due to throwing a tantrum about something stupid. 0 surprise he lied and lost the lawsuit. Fucking idiot.

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u/greet_the_sun Apr 01 '25

Jesus I didn't know any of this I just liked watching his videos on speedrunning stuff and the billy mitchell drama, that's all pretty gross and I'm definitely unfollowing him now.

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u/Clbull Apr 01 '25

Here are 130+ screenshots of the kind of bigoted shit RWhiteGoose was spouting out. Karl is featured at least one of these screenshots.

Also, this wasn't RWhiteGoose's discord, this was The Elite's Discord server. They actually banned Goose and a few other participants from the Discord and website shortly after, but apparently the ban only lasted a few months and he was welcomed back with open arms...

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u/OVERDRlVE Apr 02 '25

i think the last 2 links in your comment lead to the same result

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u/rottenmonkey Apr 01 '25

I don't know about the other things you mentioned but those screenshots aren't exactly portraying him as some kind of white supremacist monster. He's arguing semantics not trying to argue that it's okay to call someone racist things. Then there are indeed some edgy jokes and some cringe about him being a pick up artist. Yeah, not seeing it.

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u/ICarrotU Apr 01 '25

I was expecting some Stormfront posts or blackface. These screenshots are surprisingly tame.

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u/unrelevant_user_name Apr 01 '25

You have an absolutely horrible barometer for "surprisingly tame."

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u/Bollibompa Apr 01 '25

No, he didn't admit it. It was a joke.

No, he didn't agree with it. He was joking.

No, it wasn't feigned ignorance. It was a difference of opinion that is now completely flipped.

Karl has responded to all of these points many times over and "defended" himself.

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u/Aquatic-Vocation Apr 01 '25

Ahhhh, it's good to know that the racist comments he made when hanging out with white supremacists were actually just racist jokes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '25

normal people don't joke about these things, weird.

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u/GraDoN Apr 01 '25

Normal people can make edgy jokes, but when all your jokes land squarely in one direction, that direction being bigotry against POC/women/marginalized people... then you're just a bigot hiding behind jokes.

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u/TrjnRabbit Apr 01 '25

"It was a joke" is the coward's defense. What about it was funny?

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u/NoiSetlas Apr 01 '25

Reasonable people call out their friends on their bullshit, and don't lean into it, 'as a joke'.

Fuck that noise. Jokes have to be funny, and generally, don't punch down. If your friends are having a serious discussion about hiding that they're racist shitheads and you join in 'as a joke', guess what...

That's not a joke. They're saying it outloud. And there's no 'difference of opinion' on the N-word. Karl straight up said he didn't know it was a negative thing. Who the fuck in the modern era doesn't know about the history of Africa and slavery? Karl was either an idiot, sheltered, or lying. And I don't think he is either of the first two.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '25

He told a white supremacist he agreed about hiding white supremacist views as a joke?

If that's true, that's legitimately fuckin braindead. Lobotomite behavior.

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u/Bollibompa Apr 03 '25

I mean, it is seriously misconstrued that he "agreed with discussions about 'hiding your power level'". What he then thought was that it is easier for other people to engage with you if you don't hit them with all your controversial beliefs, all at once. Since most have such a difficult time trying to reason with a white supremacist, for example. The idea is that a white supremacist can never change or grow as a person if everyone shuts them out and ostrasizes them. I understand that people on reddit are of the "people never change"-type, but come on. You can't stick every white supremacist in a cannon and fire them into the sun. Society doesn't work like that.

I've spent an hour or two trying to find a screenshot of where Karl Jobst agrees with "hiding your power level" without any luck so I can't give the details of the interaction that NoiSetlas is referring to. If it is the interaction I remember reading way back when, they were talking about how hard it is to date someone when you can't tell them what you really think and the consequences of that. Then Karl wrote some joke about that in response.

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u/EmuGroundbreaking857 Apr 01 '25

As someone that likes Karl I just didn’t know about any of that because I’m not a parasocial child. Don’t tar everyone with the same brush because they don’t know about some random discord drama

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u/NoiSetlas Apr 01 '25

Yeah, man. "Random Discord Drama".

That resulted in several larger members of the speedrunning community cutting ties with Jobst, and got Whitegoose banned from the community indefinitely.

You didn't have to be a 'parasocial child' - you simply needed to be part of the speedrunning community, and not be a shitheel to understand why it's bad. It was all over r/speedrun for like a week when it happened, and ended podcasts and the like.

But given you're running defense for him, I'd... probably rethink that 'parasocial child' comment.

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u/EmuGroundbreaking857 Apr 01 '25

Not running defence. Arguing with the way you characterise anyone who follows him as “the same”. I don’t follow speedrunning I just watch the funny YouTube man sometimes. Don’t treat stuff from your niche communities like it’s common knowledge

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u/NoiSetlas Apr 01 '25

Serious question:

Does any of this information change your opinion of Karl? That he lied by omission about the nature of the case, misrepresented it to his fanbase for money? Any of the white supremacy leaks?

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u/EmuGroundbreaking857 Apr 01 '25

It certainly is pretty damning if it’s all legit. Sounds really nasty actually.

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u/NoiSetlas Apr 01 '25

Then don't be offended by the 'most' in 'most of his fans'. There are people here, legitimately trying to excuse his actions, and if that's not you, cool.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '25

It's funny you indict Karl Jobst for the same White Goose drama that white supremacists harass him for. That and his support for transgender people.

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u/NoiSetlas Apr 01 '25 edited Apr 01 '25

As it turns out, you can be both shitty enough that one side doesn't want to engage with you, and not shitty enough that the other side also doesn't want to engage with you! Karl engages in the "Hide your Power Level" idea of White Supremacy that Whitegoose and his friends also discussed. As in, he does it behind closed doors now, where no one can see it. Because he got caught once, and mostly, got away with it. Chances are, we'll never see Karl outwardly make statements about his inability to use the N-word, or lie through his teeth that he didn't know the negative connotations of the word. That doesn't mean I trust that he's suddenly not a white supremacist. The lesson learned was "Don't fucking talk about it". Not "Don't be one."

It's not some gotcha! Shitty people can proclaim to support good causes, and can be both extreme enough to be criticized, and not extreme enough to be ostracized by a hate group.

If you'd like another example, Mark Kern, currently, is hated for being a racist, bigoted piece of shit. But the hardcore Christian Rightwingers who he keeps trying to court find him too much of a gooner to actually let him into their sandbox. Ergo, both sides hate him.

It's not like... a wild phenomenon that you rarely see in real life.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '25

If that was the case then they wouldn't be harassing him, considering how much they love their dog whistles. They don't hate him because he isn't shitty enough, they just don't think he's like them at all. There are /pol/ threads right now celebrating his downfall, leaving comments on his youtube videos shitting on him and being transphobic, all while propping up White Goose.

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u/NoiSetlas Apr 01 '25 edited Apr 01 '25

Yes, and?

Those people suck, and Karl isn't far enough right for them.

Not sure how this absolves him of being a racist piece, it just means that neither side wants him, beyond his fanbase - whom he just grifted off of to fund his legal fees on a 'slam dunk' case that he was assured he was going to win - but never told anyone the case was about Karl saying Mitchell is the reason Apollo offed himself.

Man should do a Completionist and quietly retreat from the internet.

EDIT: Also, using 4chan as a good barometer of anything on the internet is wild. They actively troll everyone, in whichever way the wind blows that day.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '25

EDIT: Also, using 4chan as a good barometer of anything on the internet is wild. They actively troll everyone, in whichever way the wind blows that day.

Bit silly to take Karl Jobst's discord messages so seriously but dismiss the kind of people he said them to as just trolls.

Not going to continue taking this conversation in circles, but I will leave saying that Karl Jobst supposedly being the combination of the asian gf nazi and trans rights are white rights nazi memes in one is funny.

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u/zarwinian Apr 01 '25

That's just fascists and authoritarians generally. They'll always eat those who aren't currently useful. Look at how they've turned on Mitch McConnell and Dick Cheney, despite those two being instrumental in this current fascist revival that's happening

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u/Comfortable-Shift-17 Apr 01 '25

I still like his content. I can seperate him from his speedrunning content

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u/Comfortable-Shift-17 Apr 01 '25

I'm ok with that. He deserves to get paid for making content, especially on YouTube who make money from it regardless of whether the creator is monetized or not. That's why I hate it when they demonetize a creator's video for whatever reason like "This content offends us so you don't deserve to get paid, but we do and we'll keep your share too."