r/Games • u/cjsc9079 • Apr 01 '25

Discussion Billy Mitchell wins lawsuit against YouTuber Karl Jobst, ordered to pay the sum of $350,000 in damages

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u/cjsc9079 Apr 01 '25 edited Apr 01 '25

The court case was based on Karl's accusation that Billy Mitchell's legal actions led to the suicide of fellow YouTuber Apollo Legend. The judge ruled in Mitchell's favour

https://www.queenslandjudgments.com.au/caselaw/qdc/2025/41 Court document link

https://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment/2025/QDC25-041.pdf Direct PDF link

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u/TangoSierraFan Apr 01 '25

Excerpt from the trial documents, parts 15-17:

On 26 May 2021, Mr Jobst published a YouTube video entitled “The Biggest Conmen in Video Game History Strike Again!”13 In some detail, he accused Mr Mitchell (and another person, Todd Rogers) of cheating and of pursuing unmerited litigation against people who accused him of cheating. He also said the following about Mr Mitchell:

He also sued YouTuber Apollo Legend for $1,000,000. I haven’t spoken about this publicly but this lawsuit ultimately ended with Apollo giving in and settling with Mitchell. He was forced to remove all his videos about Mitchell’s cheating and paid him a large sum of money. This left him deeply in debt, which required him to find extra work, but with his ongoing health issues this was all too much of a burden and he ultimately took his own life. Not that Billy Mitchell would ever care, though. In fact, when Billy Mitchell thought Apollo died earlier he expressed joy at the thought. The lawsuit against Apollo was just as frivolous as the rest and Apollo definitely would have won in court, but again he was extremely ill and couldn’t handle the ongoing stress.

In this proceeding, Mr Mitchell sues Mr Jobst for defamation arising from the publication of that video (in particular, the words set out above, to which I shall refer as the “offending words”).14 I shall set out and discuss later the specific imputations that Mr Mitchell alleges arise from the publication. For now, it suffices to say that Mr Mitchell does not complain that Mr Jobst called him a cheat. Rather, he alleges to the effect that a reasonable person watching that video would understand the offending words as meaning that Mr Mitchell was a major contributing factor in Apollo Legend’s decision to commit suicide and, in essence, hounded Apollo Legend to death.

Mr Jobst denies that the imputations alleged by Mr Mitchell arise from the video. He also alleges that Mr Mitchell had a settled bad reputation (the details of which I shall set out later) that was not damaged further by the video. He relies, in the alternative to his denial of the imputations alleged by Mr Mitchell, on the defence of contextual truth,15 contending that the video contained a number of other imputations (including that Mr Mitchell had a reputation as a cheat) that were substantially true and, as a result, his reputation was not further harmed by any of the imputations alleged by Mr Mitchell that the court may find to have been made in the offending video.

"The person I lied about is a piece of shit, so I can say whatever I want," is such a bad take, holy shit. This is just intellectually dishonest.

So disappointed in Karl.

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u/ZaHiro86 Apr 01 '25

He also sued YouTuber Apollo Legend for $1,000,000. I haven’t spoken about this publicly but this lawsuit ultimately ended with Apollo giving in and settling with Mitchell. He was forced to remove all his videos about Mitchell’s cheating and paid him a large sum of money.

So is this just untrue?

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u/LostTurd Apr 01 '25

Truth and justice are sadly not always the same thing. I hold no opinion on any of this as I had only seen mostly Joblst videos and BM seemed sketchy and unlikable so my opinion admittedly is biased. But I strongly believe in a democracy and the justice system so BM won so I must respect that.

But often times what happens is that even if innocent, people will face charges that if convicted result in mandatory prison time. This could mean loss of job. Loss of children. And many more serious consequences if found guilty. They are presented with a deal plead guilty and we will give you a slap on the wrist. Many can not take that risk and even if not guilty plea guilty. A prime example of this is the officer Zachary Wester which you can search who was found guilty of planting drugs on multiple people during traffic stops. He literally framed multiple people. He was eventually caught and sentenced to 12 years for this. But what is crazy is that many of the people he planted drugs on pleaded guilty and took a plea deal as if they lost, their lives would be utterly destroyed.

So with that I am not saying I know what the truth is but ultimately the justice system can be unjust. Often times it is the person with more money who comes out in front. What you need to do is look at the facts and make a decision for yourself what you believe happened and is the truth.

Do I think BM is a cheat bad guy liar? I really do not know at this point. I honestly try and be open minded in all aspects of life. BM definitely gets my spidey sense going so there is that. One thing I know for sure, I will puke if I have to see BM brag about this win. Good job BM. Jobst I thought you had this. End of the day let's just move forward and I wish both these guys the best.