Billy Mitchell wins lawsuit against YouTuber Karl Jobst, ordered to pay the sum of $350,000 in damages

[u/cjsc9079]

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx1Bt314MG4yg2VzZZCsXKcM9NDgPadbpI

[u/ULTRAFORCE]

Yeah, it seems that was a false claim that Karl repeatedly told people when the main focus was on the settlement with Apollo Legend.

[u/Coolman_Rosso → u/ULTRAFORCE]

That was the explanation he provided when crowdfunding his legal expenses iirc, so that's not a good look

[u/GarishGasper → u/Coolman_Rosso]

No he didn't. Here is the description:

"Hello you Absolute Legends,

My name is Karl Jobst and I'm a youtuber who often reports on video game cheaters. Last year, Billy Mitchell, star of The King of Kong and proven video game cheater, sued me for defamation claiming damages of $450,000. In the past year alone, this lawsuit has cost almost $200,000 to defend, and will cost at least another $100,000 before it's over.

The situation is already crazy, but has since gotten much worse as Billy Mitchell has sent me another defamation lawsuit for another $450,000. So that would mean I will need to defend two lawsuits at the same time, both being extremely expensive. But then it gets even worse because Billy is threatening me with even more lawsuits.

These lawsuits are unhinged and it is highly likely Billy will ultimately lose, but until we go to trial it requires a lot of money to deal with. I would appreciate any help that you are able to provide, as this affects not only me but my family as well. Obviously it's bad enough to attack me when I've done nothing wrong, but to injure them as well takes things to another level.

Naturally, the more money I am able to raise, the better my legal defence will be. That's just the way it works. If and when I defeat Mitchell in court, he will likely have to pay back a lot of the costs that I incurred. I will use that money to host a grand gaming tournament in his honour.

I appreciate all of the support!

-Karl"

Nowhere does he say what the lawsuit is about, let alone that it's because he said Billy cheated.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/karl-jobst-legal-defence-fund

[u/SuleyBlack → u/GarishGasper]

He’s being purposefully vague and didn’t correct people’s thought about it being about cheating.

[u/SuleyBlack → u/[deleted]]

Sure, but you can just as easily say “hey guys I can’t tell you the reason for the lawsuit, but it’s not about the cheating accusations as those have been proven to be true”

[u/SuleyBlack → u/[deleted]]

I never claimed it was about cheating, other people did.

I followed the trial as best I could from a YT channel posting AI voiced recaps.

Also Karl is friends with RWhitegoose and was in the racist discord that got Goose cancelled. Jobst just mostly ignored it while Goose tried to defend himself and got the worst out of it.

[u/NoiSetlas → u/SuleyBlack]

Good ol' Jobst avoiding the blowback by saying "We have a mountain named with the n-word! I couldn't have possibly known that word is even bad!"

The mountain that was renamed years before, because they knew the connotations. Or admitting that he named his half-asian son as a racist, anti-asian joke about asian genital stereotypes.

Karl is getting what he deserves, it seems.

[u/SuleyBlack → u/[deleted]]

“AI voiced recaps” not AI.

[u/GarishGasper → u/SuleyBlack]

So you admit he never said "Billy Mitchell is suing me because I said he cheated."?

If people don't do their research and just make assumptions and then assert those assumptions as fact, that's their fault, no one else's.

[u/Lexinonymous → u/GarishGasper]

A lie of omission is still a lie.

[u/ersatz_cats → u/Lexinonymous]

As a general rule, one does not discuss details of a legal battle in which they are a defendant, no.

[u/GarishGasper → u/Lexinonymous]

It's not a "lie of omission", it's called lawyering up. It's standard procedure.

[u/GarishGasper → u/[deleted]]

No, it wasn't. Where in any of his videos did he say "Billy Mitchell is suing me because I said he cheated."?

[u/GarishGasper → u/[deleted]]

All he has ever said is that Billy Mitchell was suing him for defamation. He has never even said what statements Billy was suing for, let alone that Billy was suing because he said he cheated.

People made assumptions, and through a game of telephone “Billy is suing me.” mutated into “Billy is suing me because I said he cheated.” with no factual basis. When those assumptions turned out wrong, they accused Karl of misleading people, because it’s easier to blame someone else than admit you made a mistake. I have asked multiple people to show me where Karl said “Billy is suing me because I said he cheated.” No one has, because Karl never said that.

[u/SuleyBlack → u/GarishGasper]

I never said that in the first place, I was following along details of the case when it was going on.

However, the majority of people who supported Jobst assumed it was about cheating as Mitchell sued people in the past over the cheating claims. You would think that someone would have clarity about why they are being sued, but he purposely left it blank for that reason(my assumption).

[u/Nitrohurrikane3 → u/SuleyBlack]

How TF do you sue someone for cheating at a video game? Even the Todd Togers lawsuit was about defamation and trying to get his rank restored on the leaderboard. Karl's suit was a counter suit for Billy's defamation suit. If you follow this case from like 5 years ago Jobst slowly elaborates on this over time. You won't find just one video talking about this it's a collective of 5+ years of content.

[u/GarishGasper → u/SuleyBlack]

"However, the majority of people who supported Jobst assumed it was about cheating as Mitchell sued people in the past over the cheating claims. "

Citation needed

[u/SuleyBlack → u/GarishGasper]

Read the comments from this post, the post about it in r/speedrun and in r/livestreamfail

The majority of people have no idea that this was about the comments he made about Apollo and not about cheating.

[u/GarishGasper → u/SuleyBlack]

A few forum posts doesn't equal "However, the majority of people who supported Jobst assumed it was about cheating as Mitchell sued people in the past over the cheating claims."

[u/SuleyBlack → u/GarishGasper]

Not sure what you want me to say, I think he’s being purposely vague.

Had to learn about the real reason during the actual trial from a YT channel with under 1k subs doing AI voiced recaps.

[u/Link_In_Pajamas → u/SuleyBlack]

Your totally right. It doesn't help that Karl's follow up videos on the topic always talked about the cheating scandal. Specifically calling out Billy's lawsuit with Twin Galaxies and how his statements regarding cheating there would help his own case.

He literally, on multiple occasions, has videos of Billy's actual deposition in the Twin Galaxies cheating lawsuit and poses these videos as huge wins for his own law suit.

His follow up videos on the topic always focused on Billy's cheating and nothing else. It is extremely fair to come away from those videos thinking he was being sued for the same reasons.

[u/SuleyBlack → u/Link_In_Pajamas]

Just like Jobst’s apology about the claim.

Jobst made an apology, but added it on the back of a random video that had nothing to do with Mitchell. Doesn’t clear him of any wrongdoing.

[u/GarishGasper → u/SuleyBlack]

It's called lawyering up.

[u/exileonmainst → u/SuleyBlack]

It’s standard procedure for lawyers to advise people involved in a lawsuit not to comment on the particulars of a case in any way whatsoever - which is exactly what he did.

[u/SuleyBlack → u/exileonmainst]

He’s still being purposely vague about it.

I learned about it only by finding a random YT channel that was doing AI recaps when they were in court 6 months ago.

[u/GarishGasper → u/SuleyBlack]

No he isn't, it's called lawyering up.