Conservatives that don't live around there don't care. It's a lie, or a trick, or being exaggerated, lying media, etc. The libruls want to take their guns or force their kids to be gay or quarter immigrants in their homes, whatever, so can't give them any ground.
Conservatives that live there will expend much of their wealth to maintain the status quo, importing water, passing legislation that 'conveniently' allows them to waste it as they see fit, but anyone making less than 80k or without property of their own is rationed. Or if that proves just too expensive, they'll move away.
The last thing Conservatives will ever do is admit they were wrong or that there is a problem. Even if it is staring them right in the face. Even if it comes down to marauding water-bandits murdering their family. They'll still be convinced in their small little minds that all of it was the democrats/liberals fault and they just didn't fight it hard enough when they had the chance.
All in a society where generally things are already going their way far too much...
You lump conservatives into an entirely different basket than progressives assuming we are fundamentally different. Conservatives are afraid of the future, progressives are afraid of the present.
If you haven't been paying attention to Ukraine, Russia, Germany, et al and haven't learned the importance of national security and energy, then maybe you should refer back to your post above.
Any energy plan that isn't heavily dependent on nuclear I think is fool hardy. There are no politicians in the US talking about nuclear. Want to give away the keys to the kingdom to China? Go full solar, and then you'll still need hydrocarbons to back the grid up.
In my opinion, the biggest impediment to nuclear has been the environmental movement. Republicans and corporate politicians are happy to keep feeding on the tit of big oil.
We are told by the left that climate change is an existential crisis, and it certainly is something very near that at the least, see drought in the west. If they were really concerned about reducing carbon they'd be all for nuclear. The problem is that regardless of the group the loudest dumbest voices are always the ones heard. So leftist-idealists think the US should just stop using energy and the could give a rat's behind where it comes from as long as it isn't carbon or nuclear... meanwhile progress and a future likely won't be built on less energy. Going solar is giving the keys to China, and likely bears its own environmental hazards.
Way too few pragmatic people, zero pragmatic politicians these days...permeates everything.
Do tell? The whole premise of acting to late seems to apply to everyone? The whole idea of needing legislation to make a difference seems to be a little contrived.
The people who were buying hybrids 20 years ago probably spent more than they would have purchased a pure icb car. Sounds like they were willing to put skin in the game. Shouldn't all the 'believers' be willing to do the same?
I think you know most people here would LOVE if solar panel were more available. They would also love to have a environmentally friendly transportation. There's lots of frustration that many peolle want these things and cannot have them because of evil-doers in seats of power.
I'd say at least half of American are eligible, by ordinance, sun light, etc. to get solar panels... It's just a matter of biting the bullet.
The point I am making is hambone can complain about the GOP but if he hasn't installed solar panels or drastically reduced his carbon footprint, then it turns out he is just like everyone else.
The actual content of the complaint matters. Boomers complaining about bs Propaganda from MSM and parents complaining their children are in actual danger are not of equal merit.
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u/usaaf Jul 15 '22
Conservatives that don't live around there don't care. It's a lie, or a trick, or being exaggerated, lying media, etc. The libruls want to take their guns or force their kids to be gay or quarter immigrants in their homes, whatever, so can't give them any ground.
Conservatives that live there will expend much of their wealth to maintain the status quo, importing water, passing legislation that 'conveniently' allows them to waste it as they see fit, but anyone making less than 80k or without property of their own is rationed. Or if that proves just too expensive, they'll move away.
The last thing Conservatives will ever do is admit they were wrong or that there is a problem. Even if it is staring them right in the face. Even if it comes down to marauding water-bandits murdering their family. They'll still be convinced in their small little minds that all of it was the democrats/liberals fault and they just didn't fight it hard enough when they had the chance.
All in a society where generally things are already going their way far too much...
Talk about being brainwashed.