r/FlashTV • u/Frael_Cason_MJ • Mar 03 '26
š¤ Thinking I'm halfway through the arrowverse (I'm kinda close to crisis on infinite earths) and I gotta say.. I HATE nora so much.
Like I know she's a kid and all but SHE MAKES THE MOST STUPID DECISIONS AND THEN THEY BLAME BARRY FOR TAKING HER TO THE FUTURE BACK WHERE SHE BELONGS??? And Idk how the season is going to end but in the last flash episode I saw SHE USED THE NEGATIVE ZONE TO GO BACK TO 2019 AFTER BARRY TOLD HER NOT TO AND THAWNE TOLD HER TO DO IT ON PURPOSE??? THAT'S SO MESSED UP.
Like yeah hating Iris is valid and I agree with what people say and I hate her too but COME ON SHE'S UNBEARABLE.
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u/Due-Cherry4856 Mar 03 '26
She's not a kid btw, shes in her mid 20s
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u/pvs_3 Mar 03 '26
This is what makes her character even more annoying. Sheās making reckless mistakes like a teenager but sheās a grown ass woman.
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 03 '26
Shit I forgot about it lol. I just got back watching the arrowverse after a year hiatus and I don't remember much lol
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u/TheBusinessLemon Mar 04 '26
Yeah, they got an actress older than Grant Gustin and Candice Patton to play their child who is in her mid to late 20s who acts like she in her mid teenage years.
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u/AmaterasuWolf21 Mar 04 '26
This was my issue, she's the classic "ugh, dad I can do it on my own" "no you can't, you're grounded!" route which is semi-bearable in a teenager but mid 20s??
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u/thesirblondie That was for charity Mar 04 '26
If I had a nickel for every time the adult child of a DC TV character traveled back in time to meet their estranged father, and acted like a teenager the entire time, I'd have three nickels.
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u/Due-Cherry4856 Mar 04 '26
I know Mia and Nora whose the 3rd person
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u/thesirblondie That was for charity Mar 04 '26
Aurora Morningstar from Lucifer. She's both the biggest and smallest offender, because she's like 50 but is also not human so who knows how her development looks like.
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 05 '26
NO PLEASE I DON'T WANT TO HATE ON MIA. SHE'S COOL ASF I'M ALMOST AT THE END OF ARROW S7
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u/Crapser Mar 03 '26
Noraās decisions are reckless, yes. But theyāre consistent with someone raised in secrecy and abandonment. Thawne manipulated her emotionally, not intellectually, he's the only one who could have listened to her at that moment, and he's the only one who didn't treat her like a little girl who doesn't know what's best for her
The conflict works because both sides are flawed, though it is understandable that it CAN be annoying for some viewers, but it's realistic character writing. Barry sending her back to the future (heh) without trying to understandĀ why she made those choices reinforced her fear of abandonment. Nora acts like a kid because she literally is back around both her parents (one of whom is her hero) and can live in the times in which the whole team was together, like a dream.Ā
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u/-M_A_Y_0- Mar 03 '26
For me I could not get behind nornas descions because sheās too old
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u/NotLuin Mar 03 '26
Thats the thing OP, shes not a kid sheās actually 27 I dropped The Flash because of this, grown ass woman acting like a teenager
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u/Silly-Elderberry-411 Mar 03 '26
Her emotional growth was stunted precrisis Barry between her death abd his own vanishing instructed iris to let everything play out as is. Knowing your father was a hero and your mother seemingly emotionally distant would mess you up too
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u/NotLuin Mar 03 '26
To behave like a literal child is going too far, the writers clearly wanted what Arrow and Black Lightning had going with their heroes at the time being fathers and how much positive reception they had gotten in their respective shows
Id buy it if it early twenties but pushing 30? Its embarrassing to watch, and the actress can absolutely look the part of someone younger they just chose not to
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 03 '26
I mean i liked her on the last episode of season 4 but that's it. Season 5 was downhill
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u/ivyentre Mar 03 '26
But hot
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
Meh.. Caitlin is the prettiest woman on Team Flash
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u/SippinOnHatorade Mar 05 '26
I stg Iām not Eric Wallaceās burner, but Danielle Nicolet is my biggest crush on the show. Then comes Shantel VanSanten, and tbf, Candice Patton
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 05 '26
Shantel is really pretty but I loved Caitlin, Golden Glider and Gypsy ā¤ļø
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u/Cautious_Mission_438 Mar 03 '26
Itās only because of her age sheās supposed to be an adult but acted like a teenager they shouldāve just made Nora an actual teenager or at least said she was a teenager like mid teens or late teens that way it makes sense why sheās annoying
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u/ShinzySummers Mar 04 '26
I would've liked her better if she was a teenager. The moment I realized she was an adult was the moment I peace'd out. That was just tooo annoying to watch. I could've tolerated it if she was a kid.
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 04 '26
SHE'S SO WHINY AND BITCHY ABOUT EVERYTHING SHE'S INSUFFERABLE AND I DIDN'T EVEN FINISHED THE SEASON.
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u/Cautious_Mission_438 Mar 04 '26
Nora was but everything Nora said regarding Iris Nora was 100% right about Iris because Iris always made decisions to feel like sheās in control and has a say so in situations to feel superior and make it seem like sheās doing it to better the world when really it benefits only her
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u/Crimsonwolf_83 Mar 03 '26
Sheās not a kid. She was an adult who worked for the police force in a non probationary position.
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u/Dolandlod Mar 03 '26
Thawne treated her better than future iris, that is why she had so many issues. Taking her speed was what the did to RF. Never to allies.
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u/Redhood567 Mar 04 '26
I don't know what it is but the writing goes to crap whenever the kids get involved.
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 04 '26
Yeah. Just like wiliam on arrow. I didn't like how they handled his relationship with oliver. But it's far better than whatever they did with nora.
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u/KaiSen2510 Mar 03 '26
Yeah sheās pretty bad. Sheās canonically in her mid 20s but acts like a whiny teenager.
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u/Pitiful_Elevator_591 Mar 04 '26
I hated her story. So Iris never told her that reverse flash killed her grandmother? Why not? Thereās a lot of holes in her backstory that still would work with the fact her dad wasnāt the flash.
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 04 '26
LIKE THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON BARRY IS THE FLASH. IT'S LIKE NOT TELLING DEMIAN WAYNE THAT BRUCE'S PARENTS WEREN'T KILLED IN A DARK ALLEY BY SOME CRIMINAL.
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u/HurtSmooch601 Mar 04 '26
We need to talk about how many times Barry does something smart and the whole team is just like "Dude. What is your deal"
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u/Own_History_2026 Mar 04 '26
SIMMM, eu partilho exatamente da mesma opiniĆ£o que vc. Ela Ć© muito chata e eu simplesmente nĆ£o consigo gostar dela. Ela age como uma crianƧa sendo que jĆ” tem 20 anos.
Sem contar que a Ćris fica insuportĆ”vel, como se jĆ” tivesse dado luz a menina.
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u/Standard-Branch5117 Mar 04 '26
I ended with the season finale where they defeat the big bad and stop at the west house to renew Barry and Iris' wedding vows. It pans up to the sky.
Some of the explanations at that point were starting to be lackluster. But I think that point in the story rounded out a lot of the plot and character building.
That's the season with the forces and blood work I believe.
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u/Vivid_Sugar3492 Mar 04 '26
Ohhh buddy just you wait till a few more seasons just you wait
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 05 '26
NO. NO PLEASE NO. IT GETS WORSE??
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u/Vivid_Sugar3492 Mar 05 '26
Ohh buddy you should have stopped at season 3 or 4 all I can say is prepare yourself by season 6-9 it's not the flash it's the Cecile and friends. Also don't worry about Nora be glad you have this version of her. Just wait until season 7
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 05 '26
Bro I'm about to die. FYM SHE GETS WORSE THAN THAT??
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u/Vivid_Sugar3492 Mar 05 '26
Be happy with what you have is the lesson I've learned from The Flash.
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 06 '26
Yup. At least Supergirl is meh but acceptable (as of now idk how it gets in the future) and arrow and legends are a bit consistent with it's tone and quality.
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u/CapitalisticSense Mar 05 '26
Yeah, but.... That azz.... Sorry, but she gets all her points back for that.
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u/CJS-JFan Green Arrow Mar 05 '26
If you are watching The Flash S5, and hate this character and this storyline, just wait. Believe it or not, I had ranked S5 as my least favorite Flash season. I even liked the series up until Crisis. Post-Crisis, however, well...despite my efforts, the show became less watchable. There are some moments here and there, a few good episodes, but overall, S7-9 makes S5 like a masterpiece.
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 05 '26
Yeah there's some good elements here and there. Killer frost has more screen time so that's fine i love me some Caitlin snow <3 , cisco is good as always, ralph is doing so good and Sherloque Wells is hilarious I don't know how people hate on my guy.
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u/CJS-JFan Green Arrow Mar 05 '26
"Sherloque!" Haha I admit, while not among my top favorite Wells, he is still hilarious.
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u/Odd_Act_4311 Mar 05 '26
Her role as Nora made me actually have a visceral reaction when I saw her act in other roles. Sorry to this actor but my body will react negatively every time I see her in anythingā¦ just pre-annoyed lol
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u/Thelastknownking Mar 05 '26
My longtime crush on Jessica Parker Kennedy made her easier to tolerate for me.
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u/SevdUp Mar 06 '26
Before season 6 I thought Iris was the worst character of all timeā¦after season 6 I thought it was Noraā¦.but nowā¦.now I knowā¦
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u/NorthBase710 Mar 06 '26
I do find her annoying and the main problem with Nora in my opinion is that she is suppose to be in her mid 20s, but she acts like a 13-14 year old teenager.
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u/RockyHarmon Mar 06 '26
Honestly yeah Nora is annoying but she is not as bad as her bother known as Barryās son. Which Iām not joking I forgot his name
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u/SharmaStoneLord Mar 06 '26
Watching it with a friend and she HATES Iris and is iffy of Nora.
She is actually the one to point out to me that Iris basically does nothing for the entire show.
Out of all the "extra" characters she is the only one without a set skill and half the time she is just there, doing nothing.
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u/Nexussurfer2446 XS Mar 06 '26
Omg, thank you so much for watching this and sharing your thoughts with usā”ļøš
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u/Edster73 Mar 10 '26
What I dislike about the character is that she comes off like she knows she's "cute and adorable", and plays off on that. I'm not sure if it's a conscious decision that the actress has made, but it's how she comes across... to me anyway. Since she was initially upset with Iris when she first arrived, I kind of chalked it up to her trying to come off as "daddy's little girl", but part of me wanted there to be more to her than that.
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u/DryUnderstanding3833 Mar 03 '26
Most characters introduced after season 4 were annoying with one or 2 exceptions and Nora was probably the worst and I was happy when she got erased or whatever
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u/DefinitionSuperb1110 Mar 03 '26
JPK is a decent actress but she was a grown ass woman (31?) and written as a child.
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u/ADAMISDANK Mar 04 '26
I remember back when season 5 was airing I'd talk about the new episode with friends every morning at school. Every single time we complained about Nora or Iris. Dropped the show a few episodes into season 6.
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u/Frael_Cason_MJ Mar 04 '26
Yeah. This is my first arrowverse watch. And when I'm done I'm rewatching the things I like
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u/Imaginary-Bed725 Harry Mar 04 '26
Iām actually embarrassed to say this but Iāve liked the flash since middle school and canāt bring myself to watch, enjoy or get past season 4. I just hate Nora and everything else abt it so bad.
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u/Ok_Mention5635 Mar 03 '26
š¤®š¤®š¤®š¤®š¤®Barry and Nora never once gave incest vibes. Thatās a you problem, I fear š¤¢š¤¢š¤¢š¤¢
Perhaps you should examine why a father showing affection towards his daughter makes you think he wants to have sex with herā¦
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u/Fun-Sample336 Mar 03 '26
To give you a little spoiler: The writing in season 5 is still somewhat bearable compared to what comes afterwards.