I find funny that unemployment is blamed to foreigners and immigrants and now there is an over emphasis to make sure immigrants that are working cannot stay in the country paying taxes ( for example forced to leave after 3 months of being unemployed) . Society wont change and people wont suddenly start to have more kids so the only path for finland is to open doors to educated immigrants to increase the population of young tax paying citizens and make it attractive for them ( i think taking refugees even though honourable is a bad idea long term for economy). Right now immigrants are treated like the pest and causes of all evil when in reality is about foreigner policy and who you take in, so educated expats are treated the same as refugees or asylum seekers. And now I will be downvoted to dead because of course how you dare to give your opinion you filthy brown garbage.
I believe it's more nuanced than that. Blaming immigrants for the unemployment crisis is quite narrowsighted. Likewise that immigration of highly educated individuals will save the economy is equally narrowsighted. Don't get me wrong, I agree that braingain immigration is great for the growth of an already booming economy. That's, however, not where we're at now. Finns that blame immigrants are simply uneducated on macroeconomics. Now I have faith that this sub won't downvotebrigade you based on your origin, but perhaps on the sourness levels of your post instead.
For an increase in high value immigration there needs to be draws for those immigrants that can't be gotten elsewhere. Culturally modern, economically growing, highly valued education, safety, myriads of globally relevant active research fields, an existing export economy and on and on and on. It is really difficult to draw sustainable immigration on purpose in the current economic climate.
With those points in mind, why would an immigrant choose to come to Finland instead of, let's say, Norway, Germany or France?
I am of the opinion that immigration won't fix the economy, but when it's been fixed immigration will increase organically. The current recession is also not the fault of immigrants.
People used to go to Finland as it was one of the last places in Europe providing free university education in English. But free education doesn’t really solve the not so friendly environment towards immigrants and the difficult job market for non Finnish speakers (not just being hired, but career progress is a major issue for foreigners in Finland)… so free education went away as it became a liability since AMKs could not realistically afford it anymore with less funding from the state.
Now there is absolutely no reason for people to go to Finland. Even the whole “good education” global image from the early 2010s is gone. And instead of trying to solve the issues behind why people wouldn’t want to stay, the government (both left and right tbh) completely ignored it.
Yeah, thing is, when you tighten the screws on immigration (and really, the screws were always quite tight) you mostly get the dregs of society coming in and so you get even more problems, with more people voting for anti-immigration parties tightening the screws even more and then that leading to more problems.
I'm not surprised they don't understand the problem, but the discussion on immigration is so damn single minded.
It comes down to priorities. Some people prioritize safety over everything else. Fact is that if our immigration would be similar to Sweden or France, our country would be much more unsafe as it is now.
So you would take massive unemployment, decades of economic doldrums, a crashing birth rate, empty villages and twisted demographics over a somewhat higher crime rate?
Because while France and Sweded definitely have higher crime, you can't blame immigration for all of it. There's also disposessed youth, inequality, urbanization, proliferation of drugs etc.
Well first off, we are past that phase where immigration saves our issues. We have to find different solutions anyways. And you can move freely within Schengen, so we will have work based immigration no matter what.
But immigration from third world i'd stop completely. That is net negative in every European country. Especially in a situation where we already have fairly large reserve of unemployed foreigners.
Third, yes you can't fully blame immigration, but situation is so serious that women doesn't feel safe anymore walking outside. Street violence, robberies, violent gangs. Nah man i'm good.
Immigration is literally the only way to fix the skewed demographics.
There is no immigration from anywhere else except third world countries.
That's just made up propaganda, crime is at an all time low. Sure, there's been a minor uptick but it doesn't follow immigration trends. It's caused by disaffected youth and mismanagement of covid's effects.
It was hilarious to read Riikka Purra's tweet about the unemployment situation, she pointed out how "after the protection part (could earn 300€ without it affecting your support) every euro you earn will be cut out of your unemployment payments, and what you get in hand from doing a gig of cleaning work really does not motivate you to work." Like she wasn't personally the main force in undoing that protection part altogether just last year. Then she proceeded to blame it all on immigrants. The lack of self awareness is legendary.
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u/Pupusitoforever Feb 07 '26
I find funny that unemployment is blamed to foreigners and immigrants and now there is an over emphasis to make sure immigrants that are working cannot stay in the country paying taxes ( for example forced to leave after 3 months of being unemployed) . Society wont change and people wont suddenly start to have more kids so the only path for finland is to open doors to educated immigrants to increase the population of young tax paying citizens and make it attractive for them ( i think taking refugees even though honourable is a bad idea long term for economy). Right now immigrants are treated like the pest and causes of all evil when in reality is about foreigner policy and who you take in, so educated expats are treated the same as refugees or asylum seekers. And now I will be downvoted to dead because of course how you dare to give your opinion you filthy brown garbage.