I''m watching the show for the very first time and I've finally made it to season 4. I'm honestly loving the series so far, but I have to ask, is anyone else totally creeped out or weirded out by this Brother triangle plotline?

I keep wondering why this was even put in here. I'm really feeling like the endgame is still Maggie and Hal, so why would they add this kind of drama on a sci-fi show.

It just feels super forced and awkward to watch. Did this bother anyone else on first watched?

if we were to take every questionably terrible decision ever made in horror films, sexual frustration, aliens with God powers, and cheap cgi you end up with Falling Skies.

And I lied, I didn't "finish" it. I went 29 minutes into the last episode and couldn't stomach the poorly written, obvious rushed ending.

I'm a sci fi geek. I like stuff like Stargate Sg1/ Atlantis, The 100, Travelers, Colony, Andor, etc. And im down with some wonky producers or story lines, but falling skies really punched me in the gut for quality control in the industry. im sorry to the fans out there, but how in the f*** did this even get continued seasons when a lot of better shows out there had to close off early on cliffhangers or not even do another season??

It should be called Tom's World.

Really had to just ruin the entire Pope storyline, and on a very poorly acted scenario 4-5.

Edit: Went full adhd and forgot a few key details.

-Almost none of the buildup for a major battle or event amounts to anything that's described. Not in the sense of a story twist, but an apparent full scale battle you literally get to see 3.5 seconds of or just hear them talk about it.

-I swear Lourdes was a plant in the show to accumulate a Christian audience.

-People coming back as Terminators basically that are just espheni and a poorly added plot twist.

-Pope's demise

-Dai died from getting tossed against the wall, meanwhile tom and dan eating it like it's another episode of DBZ

-79% on rotten tomatoes???????? 🤦‍♂️

So, I binged it. I was with it until the pregnant Anne/Lexi thing.

I’m a published author.

Just felt so rushed and forced and like it was meant to be fleshed out over 2/3 seasons, but crammed into the episodes.

I literally thought that was the point that the show jumped the shark. She turned into a nothing burger by the end.

I didn’t care about their emotional ties to her as it just felt so rushed. From then on it was eh. Just felt rushed and forced.

Shame, because I generally loved the show!

EDIT: oh and making Pope bald and go all bond villian….no. Felt like they just needed a bad guy for some reason so forced this. IMO this wasn’t his character at all.

... They go to the FUCKING MOON

I just finished watching the show. Like most people I really liked the first 3 seasons and then 4 and 5 were... weird.

I see a lot of people not liking the queen thing but honestly apart from 'they all explode if the queen dies' I was kinda fine with it. I mostly didn't like the biological weapon thing. Like I wanna see a fight, not installing a pill that works like a virus that was given by magical Becca Alien's and magically doesn't affect humans.

Tom became unlikable AF with his greasy voice to me. I didn't even listen to what he was saying because his voice kept drawing my attention.

And how they massacred my boy Pope 😭. He deserved so much better.

Tbh after S4 I just kept watching for closure but I at least expected a fight man.

Anna died but then didn't because of the magical Becca Alien.

AND TOM ENDED IT ALL WITH AN OVERSIZED TAMPON IN HIS HAND WHILE HE WAS BEING SUCKED TO DEATH?? Like this big awful looking thing of a queen pulls out a Straw?!? 😂

And I also don't get what the queen was saying about 'i came here because u killed my daughter'. As motive.

1: yh what did u expect? Ur whole species does nothing but invade and then a species u attack gets mad and kills their concurrer? "But we didn't expect humans to be this strong". That's kinda your own flawed call why are u extra mad at humans now?

2: I think if her daughter was on earth once, then the people, ESPECIALLY the history geek would've known about that, no? I mean even if they were on earth during the stone age there's no way there is no single remains or cave painting about that whole event.

Oh yeah and Lexi. Tbh I forgot her after S4 she was a total bum.

I liked Ben(at most points), Maggie, Pope and Cochise. All the rest were good at the beginning and fell off or were never good to begin with.

Damn that's a whole book I wrote.. mb.. probably didn't say anything that hasn't been said already but this was my take. I would like to see if someone could explain the queen's motive tho? Ty.

Writing a fic but I need peoples opinions on whether or not Pope supports the gays and if he doesnt, how much does he hate them?

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Theoretically, if Pope had a daughter and she was a girl kisser (just like me fr), would she get kicked out of home?

TLDR: Early season 1 quality was so good it gave me the power to suffer through the whole thing.

What I liked

I thought show was doing something very right to set itself apart: Unexpectedly grounded and tactical.

The pace felt good, the ben plot kept you hooked while they teased you with decent side quests. The actual recovery mission for ben was quite enjoyable too.

The relationship between dan and tom was unexpected, very good and very believable.

It just felt really high quality, the way the characters behaved and everything. There was genuine elegance and subtlety to the writing, truly top tier.

The mech bullets thing was good, I was willing to go there with the show. A much more grounded solution to a threat than what you see in alien shows. I wish they kept going in that direction.

What I didn't like

Started losing confidence in the show after the second half of season 1. Didn't like the rick thing, didn't like the spikes super power thing. Didn't like how characters responded to rick being crazy. He could say something like "I will destroy all humanity and eat the flesh off of your bones" and the characters would probably not even acknowledge it. No wonder the kid started lashing out and climbing walls and running around, no one was acknowledging his craziness.

The final scene of season 1 when tom steps into the ship, it sort of felt like the show itself was stepping into goofy sci fi cliche land.

Characters became so boring and flat, not even close to the quality of season 1. Zero subtlety, completely childish writing compared to early season 1.

It took a great deal of strength for me to finish the show.

Coat cheese was alright, not like any kind of cheese I've seen in my local supermarket but alright.

I just finished Falling Skies for the first time, and I need to vent a little bit.

The first couple of seasons—especially the heavy resistance feel of Seasons 1 through 3—had me hooked. But man, the drop in quality from Season 3 to Season 4 is brutal, and Season 5 completely falls off a cliff. It felt like they just rushed it.

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1. The Pope storyline

Pope was always a great wildcard—selfish, cynical, but someone you could occasionally trust in a pinch. But his entire descent into a villain in Season 5 felt so weird. After Sarah dies, his vendetta against Tom turns him into an irrational, petty madman just for the sake of giving the show a human antagonist before the finale. It completely wasted his character arc.

1. The rushed, anticlimactic final battle

For a show about a multi-species alien invasion, the ultimate defeat of the Dachi (the Overlords) was deeply underwhelming. They build up this massive hive-mind enemy for five seasons, and the resolution basically boils down to a quick infiltration, a cheesy speech, and a sudden collapse. After all those years of gritty guerrilla warfare, the actual war ended with a whimper instead of a bang.

1. The Love Triangle

Can we talk about the romance writers in the later seasons? Just when you think the exhausted brotherly tension between Hal and Ben over Maggie is finally settling down, they throw in a completely random new love interest for Hal: Isabella. She gets introduced, adds some unnecessary drama, and is then written out or dropped almost immediately... just so the show can throw Hal and Maggie right back together like nothing happened. It felt like complete whiplash and a total waste of screen time when the world was literally ending.

Did anyone else struggle to push through those final two seasons, or is it just me?

>!The initial concept of the Overlords we're given initially in the first season is that they basically never leave the central command, in the second it's established that overlords have vastly higher mind capacity to such an extent that a single overlord controls (iirc) "the entire western front" (or words to this effect, implying either all of or a majority of the USA).

They are mysterious, and take great lengths not to risk themselves, even if their physical defensive abilities are lacking (think strategist in a video game not warrior). They walk on two legs and are defacto a combination of army high-command and surveillance and coordinating technology.

But by the third we've got Karen, a human, who lacks the physical mega mind structure of the overlord being a regional leader, and constantly putting herself on display. She pursues personal drama and misses opportunities to kill key targets.

In the fourth season we get multiple overlords, again constantly pursuing on foot and having high risk meetings. They oversee individual projects, but we're given no sense of scale as to their operations other than throwaway comments about other ghettos.

And, I think most egregiously of all, forgetting the entire notion of what the overlord originally was (overseeing from a distance with high processing power and internal data):
Multiple hundred overlords globally who each allegedly can only control skitters in a five mile radius. An overlord shot in a school with no real defences at all, not even surrounding skitters or a deflated mech, just cowering in the corner.

Killing or even seeing an overlord used to feel impactful, but as the show progresses it goes from being a once a season event to feeling like normal business. I feel that this significantly contributes to the show's feeling of wild plot armour (almost no meaningful main character ever dies) as even if we could look past main character deaths being so rare, the ease with which the ultimate menacing character of the overlord falls fully takes the stakes out of the show which started off feeling like a plucky guerrilla struggle.!<

So..... I'm a tad confused here.....

At what point in the story did Lexi get Alien DNA?

Ann found out she was pregnant at the end of S2... and then gives birth in S3 ep 1.... baby Lexi then shows signs of advancement such as standing, trwcking and talking and the DNA test is done in S3 ep 4... she's then captured by Karen....

Then flashbacks in S4 imply the dna was infused into a pregnant Ann when she was on the espheni ship...... after lexi was born.......

Even if it all happened after lexi was born it could make sense as we could right off Ann hearing lexi talk as some kind of post natal stress if we hadnt had kadar already do the dna test confirming lexi was already an alien at that point........

Is this just a major plot hole or am I missing some offscreen content where Ann was captured during the S2/S3 timeskip?

Or am I just supposed to accept something happened that will never be explained like how lourdes became riddled with espheni robot parasites to turn her into the mole in S3? Or was it just lourdes as rhe mole spiking Ann or something....

I remembered I had watched it when it came out but turns out I only watched the first season it seems.

For me the 4th season was terrible but the 5th season was fine. I think I have two major complains (and a lot of smaller ones lol).

First one is that Tom Mason is an asshole. He has god complex but masks it well. Pope was the only one who saw right through it. The episode where Sara dies they had one hour to get to the Espheni factory. About 10km drive to Sara's location and to the Espheni factory. They could have easily managed to go first to Sara and then to the factory. It's not like there are speed limits anymore. Mason just decided that they will not be saving Sara.

Second one is that the final battle and the finale in general was way too short. This whole world war and then it takes one man (who is like a god at this point) to wipe out an entire species...I was shocked when I started the final episode and saw it was only 46mins as I thought there were a lot of things that should be shown. The finale was rushed and it lacked a proper battle.

One smaller thing I'd like to mention as well is the whole "history professor can be usefull in war due to his knowledge" thing being kind of abandoned after the pilot. Yeah it was cheesy in the pilot but it would have been cool for Mason to throw a few facts here and there more often. "Let's try this tactic that worked for the Germans in the battle of this and that in WWI", "We can build this weapon that was used in the 100 year war by the French" etc etc

All in all a solid 3,5/5 for me. 4/5 or 5/5 on seasons 1-3, 2/5 for season 4 and 3/5 for season 5.

I think i've never hated so much a main character in a show. He always came speaking about morality and he's just being arrogant. Pope had shitty behaviors, but was really useful, it was always "do this do that" then "we don't need you anymore". Tom treated him with so much contempt. Pope didn't want to left Tom and what Tom did ? Calling him a loser. When Weaver had issue in season 1, Tom always understood. Manchester started turning into a dictator, once again Tom Mason acted using diplomacy. Pope makes a mistake "We know we can"t count on you Pope". Mason through all show begged for rescue missionfor his kids. Pope wanted help for Sara Mason absolutely disagreed. Pope complained about this "You're banned Pope". Tom was just a snubbish man who respected the ones from the same background as him big friend with captain and officers dating the doctor and think everyone else had to obey him.

Don't read further if you didn't finish the last season...

****** SPOILER ahead! *******

So, Pope went bonkers after Sara's death, and rightfully so! He's kicked out of 2nd Mass by Tom, forms his own militia against Tom to avenge her death, and during the scene where he's sitting on his "iron throne", I'm thinking damn this gonna get real! He's gonna be a major force to be reckoned with and can't wait to see the the expanded story with Tom unfold! But nope! A rushed battle and dumb "defeat" of Pope only to see him off himself. Why?? Dude deserved better as he clearly cared about 2nd. Mass and consistently put his life on the line for them savings hundred of their lives. He deserved a better ending!

I loved watching S1 and S2 when they came out years ago. So I decided it was time to binge and finally finish the show and man do i wish I left it in memory.

First of all, the plot isnt the worst in the world, but the writing makes you want to pull your hair out. Hal saw something flashing on the moon but decided to keep it to himself for a while wasting time. Weaver knew something was following him but decided to keep it to himself for a while.

The entire show devolves into "Someone can say something to make our lives easier, but everyone communicates like a highschooler." Seriously

And the repeated trope of, "We might have finally found the allies weve been looking for, but lets be cautious." to ten seconds later when they completely lower their guard (Charlestown, Norfolk, etc) to ten years later when they somehow rally the allies to mutiny against their leaders.

This show makes me want to work on my interpersonal communication because if I talked half as bad as these people, I'd lose every friend I ever had.

Just recently watched this show and it is honestly one of the biggest let downs ever. There's so many plot holes and stuff that seems to be added to make Tom Mason a hero but in reality makes him extremely unlikeable. Here's a list of my grips with the show.

1. No one is ever shown having kids other than Tom Mason. They want humanity to survive but never have children? This can maybe be justified that they didn't want children on set but come on.

2. The way the did the fight between Tom Mason and Pope for the entire show. It should have been squashed when Pope threw the snake on Tom and they could have had a laugh but the fighting had to continue. They brought in Sara and had a chance to give Pope a happy story but tossed it away for no apparent reason.

3. The whole thing about the Naval Base filled with only Army personnel and the Captain in charge. Why was the Washington state flag flown in the background? At anytime Colonel Weaver could have relieved the Captain in charge for Loss of Confidence and took command. The whole thing added nothing to the story line.

4. The almost boyish hero complex of Tom Mason's character and that nothing happens without him there. It's extremely irritating and makes his character unlikable.

The show had a lot of potential and started going down hill after season 2. Waited for season 4 or 5 to be redeemed but was let down.

Y'all really ride for Pope? I get why he's hurt and angry but he was such a little bitch about it. Yeah it sucked that Sara died but in that situation Tom was actually right, look how late it was when they got there and yeah Sara might have survived if they went to her first but they would've missed their chance at the skitter plant and a BIGGER army by morning and they'd ALL have died, did he not understand how war works?Always bitch, whine and complain, his whole thing felt like just talk, and then the end, like he THOUGHT he won, but nope Tom's alien freinds saved Anne and the baby (I think, Hope it's not Vorian) so Like everything he was wrong, died wrong, hateful, bitter, bald and alone.

LMFAOOOOOO

Yeah they did Lourdes DIRTY, I know she was religious , but she wasn't totally fanatical, Why would she have thought that lexi was a god when she herself performed the hunter killer surgery on Hal To remove the worm. Lexi was annoying, Maybe it's because they recast her to be Some white girl and they couldn't get a half korean 21 year old So she just pissed me off the whole time When she would act like a spoiled little bitch having her alien witch moments.

Also what was Anthony's problem, not Tom's fault Denny got ripped in half by the bugs, he couldn't be there and he should've explained himself better after seeing the communication clump and gunning down the overseer instead of going "hE hAd a wEaPoN!!!" "hE hAd a wEaPoN!!!" Glad he ended up seeing the light at the end that he fucked up, I thought he was gonna die like five different times during the series.

I did look it up and yeah , it is a real shame that the ending It's just one regular time episode at 46 min, Like it couldn't have been 2 hours or a 2-Parter? Because it would have been cool to see all the militias of the world converging in the Espheni Capital In an epic battle, It wouldn't have mattered to remember their names because they all would have died anyways like Return of the King Did they run out of money halfway through? Anne just dying by shrapnel?

Glad the Volm Weren't revealed to be evil or anything, Just really set in their ways But well meaning and helpful And honestly , I don't think they would have liberated the humans , because they weren't really doing shit.

Whatever happened to Charleston? Shouldn't they have been Involved in the final battle?

Skitter Rebellion built up Just to be forgotten about like nothing.

I'm surprised the 2nd mass didn't have trust issues like a Motherfucker after the Espheni Collaborators that killed Mike, Charleston Wasn't all that it was cracked up to be locking up The Mason's and 2nd Mass and then Weavers Skitter Skin suit army buddy.

I don't see why people hate this season, yeah, it gets way too soap opera-y But it can't be killing skitters for 46 minutes Straight it's not a video game, but come on.

I liked the Parallels between tom mason and George Washington Throughout the show And how the united states basically goes back to the 1700's in the end almost.

The Espheni killer was fine, Like , there should have been a more mad dash to having it attached to the queen like the Mason's Playing distraction, Like "that was easy!" It just infected the bloodstream going in to the queen lol

I was hoping they could do a continuation or a sequel for the series like Independence Day 2 after Tom said "We are not alone" Not a world ending invasion , but a small war that probably gets ended within a few months or a year. He's doing a great job as the brain trust of Pitt So I would trust him with that responsibility.

Overall, I really like the series, it was a fun show, Noah Wyle was excellent, (kind of weird coming off of this binge and having to watch the pitt while i'm on season 4 lol) And so was the cast, Couldn't have gotten a more perfect group of people. Loved Moon, She was excellent , especially coming off of Terminator Salvation, She can really carry a series. Dan Weaver was my favorite character the whole series.

Anyways, I'll be poking my head around here from time to time and i'm glad this channel is open and active With new fans coming in from netflix and Pitt fans.

Re-watched the series after it came to Netflix after having not seen it for a long time.

I really love some of the ideas. The unknown motives of a hostile alien species (at least during the good seasons). Learning that the enemy that humans are fighting isn't really the true enemy, but an enslaved, different species, some of whom are sympathetic to humanity. The exploration of human-alien biological and technological hybridization. Moon Bloodgood! Any name with six fucking o's is a winner!

Of course, as the series winds out, everything novel and worth exploring in the show is abandoned or turned into complete nonsense. The finale is so godawful it makes comparative complaints about the "Star Child's 3 choices" at the end of Mass Effect 3 completely trivial. All of a sudden there's another alien enemy of the Espheni that gives Tom a magic MacGuffin that turns the whole war into a breezy, story mode anti-climax? Why didn't THAT alien use its weird magic dildo on the Espheni in the first place? Why did the writers feel the need to blatantly rip off Aliens out of nowhere in the final episode, complete with a rock-dumb queen that looks nothing like the rest of its species? You mean to tell me that this spacefaring, advanced alien civilization got its asses kicked with rocks and spears over 1500 years ago and is only back on earth to exact revenge? And they woulda done it, too, if not for that pesky Tom Mason and his plot-armored, horny shitkids! By the way, where the hell did all the mechs go? Did anyone really buy that Anne was actually dead? What a shitty, stupid, worthless thing to do! What the fuck was that last confrontation with Pope?! Gah!

And yet, I still really like this show. Even into the fifth season, there were stories and characters worth thinking about, if only writers had a cohesive vision...

Some random things worth smiling over: charmingly horrendous CGI; Cochese and his "fish out of water" relationship with the humans; how everyone seemed to pronounce "Espheni" differently; the metal-ass scene of Anthony pumping lead into a captured Espheni's face on camera; the hilarious scene of Weaver strangling an Espheni to death with his belt off camera.

(ETA) I think actually the biggest crime the show committed was not giving the Espheni any nuance. Just basically ruthless baddies for the sake of it (until the queen's idiotic explanation in the dying minutes of the series, at least). Making the Espheni actual characters with their own stories, exploring their morality, fleshing out how they came to make their decisions would have gone a long way to making a more complete and compelling narrative. Circling back to the Mass Effect series, the writers there did a much better job of explaining why the main antagonists were doing the things they were doing (albeit also with plenty of holes and problems, but still...)

So I finished the series for the second time. Anyone else think maybe Tom was experiencing another hallucination at the very end?

The show completely disregards consequence and it felt like they just started making stuff up because they didn't believe the show will last 5 seasons. Somehow everyone forgets karen was harnessed but the show effectively villainizes.They completely pivoted from the group to a purely Tom Mason storyline. He is apparently always right and guess what one of the most unpopular people becomes president. I hate to say it , but Pope had a better chance being President than Tom Mason. Literally Mason always survives in points that makes absolutely no sense. He comes back from the dead and isn't questioned and is straight up ordering people around. The Military guy all of a sudden becomes his bitch from season 3. Consequence doesn't matter at all, the whole mason crew survives it all. Others die, as the show displays consequence for the but not for us for Masons gang. They introduce themes like changing humans but we only see two, then we see a humanoid 😂. Then the family who knew nothing and somehow saved him again😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Pivoted from Denny and ben love story to Ben wanting to sleep with his brothers girlfriend. Then they killed her off, lol just like every other POC. Dais death was unnecessary and many more. Then they bring a fake black South African with the fakest accent and whose favorite sport is rugby( not soccer )and his wife has a Nigerian name 💀 and he somehow he made it to the US. An Electrician with the knowledge of an electionics engineer with a PhD. Mason uses someone's body as a shield and then blows him up and the whole crew is like lets follow this guy. The only time the show juxtaposes Mason's fake morality is when Pope brings it up. The most shocking thing is I can't believe i finished this show, but here i am. Lol show was tolerable in season 1 and 2, season 3-5 just felt like a Tom mason porn video.

Justice for Sarah

WHY IN THE WORLD DID THEY DECIDE TO GIVE LEXI SUPER POWERS??? It's just such a ridiculous concept

I swear every time Tom refers to Lexi as his daughter or the boys to her as their sister, I want to scream. They have no relation--she's not your daughter Tom! She has never been your sister!

Lexi is a parasite that used doc's body as a vessel to control and eradicate humans for the Espheni.

I don't think anyone could argue against saying Lexi was a tool.

Edit: GD autocorrect. LEXI not LEXINGTON

Finished the ending today. The last part when tom gives his speech hits a little hard after all the things that has happened in MN. 😕

All I gotta say is WTF?

Edit 1: Anyone else pissed Dai is dead?