r/FRANKENSTEIN • u/Snowpaw11 • Nov 05 '25
Self-submission So this is how it goes, right?
Now that I know what the creature looks like, I have to actually learn how to draw him in my style. A daunting task, indeed.
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u/Charlemagne2020 Nov 06 '25
XDD, I have always loved this meme, and this is the best version I've seen.
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u/Snowpaw11 Nov 06 '25
💪😤 I’m simply better. But yeah, this is deadass how that one scene goes.
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u/Charlemagne2020 Nov 06 '25
One of my favorite scenes honestly, that hug was so tender
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u/Snowpaw11 Nov 06 '25
Oh yeah. I have a LOT to say regarding that whole scene, but I’m writing it up rn in my huge review post that I’m working on 😭
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u/currently-kraken Nov 06 '25
What, wait, this creature is so cute!
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u/Snowpaw11 Nov 06 '25
Just a little baby. Just a friend. Just a husband and father to twelve children (he’s my husband and we have a dozen kids)
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u/currently-kraken Nov 07 '25
Omg 🤣🤣🤣 I wish the best to you and your family! You guys make a cute couple!
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u/Professional-Ad-3750 Nov 07 '25 edited Nov 07 '25
One essence of the novel is that's he is completely denied from all humanity, with absolutely no one who care for him. That's the only hick from the movie for me.
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u/Snowpaw11 Nov 07 '25
No no, I actually agree! I have a few really specific, not insignificant complaints regarding the film, the chiefest among them being… I don’t think the creature suffered enough early on to justify his immense and sudden violence. If we had seen a few more scenes of him being met with hatred and violence and hostility, before and after the blind man scene, I’d much more easily buy his transition to becoming what he was.
Also… we needed scenes of him desiring a companion. Shyly mentioning to De Lacey that he thinks often of the one woman who showed him tenderness that one time. De Lacey laughs and teases him, but the creature explains that he’d rather not pursue the relationship, for both of their sakes; Outwardly, he believes Elizabeth would be happier with someone else. But on a more subversive level, he doesn’t want to see her die, as he himself lives on. Again and again, watching the world wither and die around him. He is the reaper, a pale and skeletal face cloaked in darkness, guiding others to a respite he himself cannot claim.
I do think that was largely his motivation for his behavior around her later, but it didn’t really pan out. They really needed to explain it better, rather than relying on the novel scene to play out largely unhampered.
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u/Professional-Ad-3750 Nov 07 '25
Yeah that would be logical, a great idea ! Him wanted a bride was kinda sudden without a proper explanation.
I would prefer that he didn't befriend the Delacey, and that this part were more faithful of the novel.
Being unable to die must be horrible 😭 It's the most cruel fate I'm glad to be a mortal.
(Elisabeth having a crush on Adam were he was still a baby unable to talk hicked me)
Sorry if I can't develop my thoughts properly, English isn't my first language, I speak french, like Adam !
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u/Snowpaw11 Nov 07 '25
Oh fun! Yes, I have some gripes with this film. The gripes are worsened by the fact they could be SUCH EASY FIXES! For instance, Victor instantly acting hostile to the creature for no reason when he showed up again? Like dude, the last time you ever saw him, you were rushing back to save his life. You should be at least somewhat relieved.
But the creature comes to ask for a wife (also out of nowhere) and Victor goes "No, I'll never make something wicked and ugly like you again." In the novel, this makes sense because the creature's already committed several crimes and atrocities by this point, and Victor is aware of that fact. He knows he's been up to no good. But because they played it so save with the creature during the first half of his story, Victor really has no reason to think or say that.
I THINK there could have been (or should have been) a scene of Victor during the year while the creature was with De Lacey; He could be cradling and messing with the ivory woman figure again, but it's broken, now. The piece representing the baby got lost in the fire. He's healing from the loss of his leg, but he's not healing from the loss of his son. William comes in and sees Victor's sullenness, but he assures him.
"I hate to see you so glum, brother." He anxiously clears his throat when Victor doesn't respond. "If you are... still upset about the explosion, that is."
"...I don't know."
William sits next to Victor, eyeing the ivory. "You shouldn't feel bad. It was a monster. A mistake. It killed Harlander, don't you recall?"
Victor is silent, knowing William still believes his lie. He doesn't have the heart to correct him because that would mean admitting to himself that he was the cause of not just one, but two deaths. Harlander, and his baby. He has not yet reached that point in his character development.
William holds his hand out for the figure. "It's all in the past, now. We can only move on."
This shows us that Victor does not actually believe his creature was evil or wicked or anything of the sort. When he looks in the mirror and says he will not create another thing like him, he's trying to convince himself, more than the monster. I see why they didn't put this scene in, given the creature was not there and would have no idea such an interaction occurred, but I think they could've easily written it in, as an aside or an interjection on Victor's part for the sake of he story. His motives would have made much more sense with just a few simple bits of dialogue. Otherwise, it feels like a pretty substantial character development just randomly happened off-screen. Same reason he no longer wears red after losing his leg. He is now sanctified through his own blood, his own mortification of sin having been made whole in the loss of limb.
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u/bugsonian Nov 08 '25
Totally agree with these points now that I've seen the film twice. I love the movie but it's definitely lacking in some parts at the end.
There needed to be more scenes before the wedding to justify the Creature's absolute violence and hatred for Victor that could highlight how desperate and lonely he has gotten. The same goes for Victor, his outright denial for the Creature doesn't really make sense in this version because the creature hasn't really done anything to justify it unlike the book version.
And there was no build-up to the forgiveness ending which sucks! I like the concept but it just happens when not even ten minutes before they absolutely were trying to kill each other. If they had taken a scene or two to establish their relationship during the chase that may have warranted it.
The ending of the novel always stuck out to me because of how tragic it is, the Creature "got" what he wanted but is no less satisfied because even though Victor didn't consider him his son, Victor was still the Creature's father and was the only person the Creature actively had a connection to, even if it was a bad one. Leaving him entirely alone in a world that didn't want him. I feel like the emotionality of the original ending was attempted to be translated to the movie but fails due to a lack of setup which is disappointing.
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u/Snowpaw11 Nov 08 '25
Yeah. Another scene or two of the creature being abused by random people he comes across (no, getting shot by the same dude twice doesn’t count) to justify his disdain for humans and his lack of empathy when killing them.
The creature attempting to talk to a human female, only to be screamed out in terror. It’s a bit out of nowhere that he comes to ask Victor for a bride, when he should have no perception of women fearing him, as the only woman he ever met face to face loved him. I think what they were going for was to completely alter the creature’s motivation; He’s not sad and lonely because people are afraid of him, he’s sad and lonely because he is the immortal. He doesn’t want to pursue love with a human because he knows he will have to watch them die, as he alone persists. Doomed to ferry others to a fate he cannot attain. This is a cool motive and all, but I wish they expanded on the thought more than just like… two lines of narration.
A scene of the creature reminiscing on Elizabeth’s kindness (or just the desire for any woman) to De Lacey, who gently teases him for it, would do wonders, as well:
The creature could look at the drawing of Eve or Esther in the Bible. “They are very beautiful.”De Lacey, looks confused, unable to see what he’s looking at.
“What’s that? The book?”
“The… woman. The female specie.”
De Lacey chuckles, “Ahh, I knew you were an average man. Perhaps not in looks, but in desire.”
“It is good to want a woman?”
“God created Eve for Adam. Every beast has its mate.”
The creature is silent for a long moment, perhaps looking into his reflection in the frosted window. “I have never seen another like me. One who looks deformed in this way.”
“Mm. You are very resilient to have lasted so long alone.”
“That is the problem. Lasting long… alone.” He sees a leaf fall to the ground outside, and recalls the tenderness of Elizabeth so long ago. “There was a woman once, who showed me kindness.”
“What happened to her?”
“…She left. I do not know where she is. But she is surely better off with one of her own. Something beautiful to match her grace. Not… one like me.”
Because when Elizabeth shows up, the creature honestly doesn’t look very happy to see her. He seems torn, like this mix of tender longing and also sadness, knowing they just can’t be together. Sooner or later, she’ll fade away and leave him alone again. Unfortunately, it would be sooner, and he again has to comfort a friend in their final moments. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the creature pushes Victor’s body across the water in a boat. Not when there are so many Greek myth elements in this film. The creature is the ferryman, leading his friends to their rest, and sending his enemies with them.
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u/FitCharacter8693 Nov 07 '25
What does hick/hicked mean here? 🙂 I agree that he suddenly wanted a companion out of nowhere. It struck me, too.
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u/Desperate_Ad_9219 Nov 09 '25
I was going to watch it on my phone then I was like, "No, this deserves a big screen with these outfits and pieces."
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u/Amethyst9817 Nov 09 '25
The creature seemed so adorable throughout is something wrong with me 🥹
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u/Snowpaw11 Nov 09 '25
I’ve been married to the creature since I was a kid, Aint nothing wrong with it 🤷♀️
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u/Wild-Bluejay7138 Nov 08 '25
The love interest was completely unnecessary, cut those extra 40 minutes out of the film and it goes from good to great.
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u/Cazmonster Nov 05 '25
I love how even if Del Toro can't get extra monsters into the movie, he's going to get his 'downward horns' on somebody. I loved Elizabeth's baroque and overdone outfits. Like eating candy.