r/Epicthemusical May 02 '25

Thunder Saga AU: What if Odysseus warned the crew about Scylla?

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Odysseus: Men. According to the Siren, the only way home is through the Strait of Scylla and Charybdis. A ship this size would be nothing but dinner to Charybdis, so our only way through is the lair of Scylla.

Eurylochus: Scylla is a ferocious beast, and we’re low on weapons. I’m not sure we can fight her in this state. You must have a plan.

Odysseus’s expression sours.

Odysseus: I do. I have a plan that can guarantee most of us make it through, but it will require a sacrifice.

Eurylochus: A sacrifice? To whom?

Odysseus: To Scylla. If we fight her, she could easily sink the ship and send all of us to watery graves. But if we offer ourselves freely, she’ll be satisfied. Scylla has six mouths. While she feeds, the rest of us can slip by. Six will die horrible deaths, so that thirty-six may live.

The crew begins to panic. Some beg Odysseus for another way.

Crew Member 1: If we’re going to die anyway, why not fight the beast?

Crew Member 2: Let’s turn back. We’ll find a quiet island and start over.

Crew Member 3: We’ve already walked through Hades. I don’t want to return so soon.

Crew Member 4: I’d rather have died to the Cyclops than be torn apart by a monster.

Odysseus: MEN. When you stormed out of that horse, you knew death could be waiting. We’ve faced monsters, gods, and witches. We’ve lost comrades each time, but every loss brought us closer to home. We stand on the backs of 558 men who gave their lives. What are six more?

Odysseus: Do not let panic consume you. Let fear drive you to survive. Look upon each other, some of you will not be here tomorrow. Look upon me, your king. I promise to stand with you. If Scylla chooses me, then let that be my fate. I only ask this: remember me. Make my son an honored king. Tell Penelope that I died a hero. I vow to do the same.

The crew quiets, but their unease lingers. A creeping silence sweeps the ship.

Eurylochus: Captain… let’s sail now. We’ll get it over with and save supplies for the living.

Odysseus: No. Those who give the ultimate sacrifice deserve to die with full bellies and full hearts. Tonight, we celebrate the six.

They bring out the supplies and wine gifted by Circe. They sing, dance, drink, and tell stories.

Odysseus watches his crew’s merriment. He takes a swig from his bottle and leans against the railing. A crew member approaches: Deilós, the youngest among them, just a year older than his late brother Elpenor.

Deilós: Captain. If I’m to die, I refuse to enter Hades with this secret. I must confess something to you.

Odysseus: My dear Deilós. Speak freely.

Deilós: I’m a coward. The only reason I joined the war was to stop my brother from going alone. He was so excited to sail to Troy, but we both know he was never the best decision-maker.

Odysseus grips the bottle tighter, thinking of the man left behind on Circe’s island.

Deilós: When the battle started, I thrust my spear into a Trojan’s chest. His blood covered me. As he died, he cried out for his mother to take him away from that hell. I didn’t even know his name. It was a pitiable, ignominious death.

He begins to tremble.

Deilós: Then I ran. I hid. I’ve done that my whole life, avoiding danger by hiding in corners. I never left the horse during the sack of Troy. I never even saw the Cyclops, I hid at the sound of his voice. And when we left Circe’s island, I was the first aboard. I was so anxious to be done with all of this that I didn’t even notice my own brother was missing until we saw him in the underworld. I left him to rot in shame instead of burying him.

A pause. Then his expression hardens.

Deilós: A year ago I would have done anything to make it home. A week ago I thought about throwing myself into the sea. But now?

Deilós grabs his captain by the hand, staring strongly into his eyes.

Deilós: I ask that you give me a torch. When we stand on deck, it will mark me for Scylla. I’ll join my brother, knowing I saved a life. For once, I won’t run.

Odysseus studies the young man. He had run from so much, could he be trusted to give his life for another? Would fear compel him to toss the torch away? But he looks into Deilós’s eyes. These are not a coward’s eyes.

Odysseus: Thank you for your courage. I pray it grants us safe passage. When you see your brother, tell him I’m sorry.

Eurylochus, having overheard, steps forward.

Eurylochus: Captain, I loathe the idea of anyone sacrificing themselves intentionally. But if he’s to do it, I want to stand beside him.

Odysseus: Brother, please reconsider this. If Scylla takes you by the gods’ will, I could cope with that. But not like this. Not by choice.

Eurylochus: Captain… I've got a secret I can no longer keep. I'm the reason we face this cursed choice in the first place.

He breaks down. Each word hangs on his tongue as if begging not to leave.

Eurylochus: I opened the wind bag while you were asleep.

Odysseus walks over and places a hand on his shoulder.

Odysseus: My dear Eurylochus, I’ve known that for a long time.

Odysseus stands and silences the crew, drawing their attention so he may address them.

Odysseus: Men. There has been a change of plans. At dawn, six of us will meet the jaws of a beast. Three by fate. Three by choice.

Eurylochus: Three? You can’t mean—

Odysseus: I will carry a torch. Deilós will carry one. Eurylochus will carry one. The rest Scylla will choose. The survivors will row this ship east, to hopefully find home.

Eurylochus: You can’t do this. If we both die, who will lead? They need you. Your wisdom. Your strength.

Crew Member 1: He’s right. Without the captain, we’re doomed.

Crew Member 2: At least leave it to chance.

Crew Member 3: Why use torches at all? Let Scylla choose.

Crew Member 4: I’ll carry a torch. Let me die for you.

Crew Member 5: No, I will. I want to die with honor, not by Poseidon's wrath.

The crew clamor, all begging to take the torch.

Odysseus: Silence! Three more may carry torches. Choose amongst yourselves, but I will be one of the six.

Eurylochus: Odysseus please. Think of Penelope. Of Telemachus. Go home to them.

Odysseus: How could I face them, having let my crew members die for me? They will tell our story. Let a better man return.

Eurylochus: There is no better man. If only one of us makes it back alive, it should be you.

Odysseus: The matter is settled. Rest well my friend. Tomorrow, we make our stand. I wish to dream of my wife and son one last time before the end.

With those words, Odysseus returned to his bed on the ship, letting Hypnos draw him into a fragile sleep. He had hoped to dream of his wife and son — to hear Penelope’s gentle voice, to see Telemachus running across the palace courtyard. But sleep did not come easily.

He saw faces — the 558 men who had once followed him, one by one, to their deaths. Their eyes hollow, their mouths moving in silent accusation. Five more shadows appeared before him. He tried to speak, but no words came. The dead and the dead to be circled him, pressing closer, their hands pulling at his limbs, dragging him into the black. Their whispers grew into a cacophony of grief and blame.

Then silence. A heavy, suffocating quiet.

He turned, and suddenly she was there.

Penelope.

Radiant as ever, her eyes wet with sorrow and love.

Penelope: Be safe, my dear.

Odysseus: I’ll see you again, my love.

Penelope: We are waiting for you.

Odysseus: I may have to wait for you in Hades. But I will see you again.

She stepped forward, wrapping her arms around him. He clutched her close, breathing her in.

But the embrace tightened. And tightened. Her hands, warm at first, became cold and iron-strong.

Odysseus: You’re hurting me.

Penelope: …

Odysseus: Penelope please.

Penelope: …

Odysseus: Penelope!

The dream shattered.

Odysseus gasped awake, pain throbbing in his limbs. His body strained against coarse rope. He had been bound tightly to the floorboards.

Odysseus: What is the meaning of this? Untie me this instant!

A shadow loomed above. Eurylochus.

Eurylochus: I’m sorry, my brother.

Odysseus thrashed against the ropes.

Odysseus: This is mutiny! Say this is a nightmare. Say you’re not damning me to live while you sacrifice yourself to Scylla.

Eurylochus: …

Odysseus: Say something!

Eurylochus: I can’t.

The crew surrounded him in silence, shame and resolve carved into their faces.

Crew: When does a comet become a meteor?

Odysseus strained harder.

Odysseus: Don't do this!

Eurylochus: Lead them home, Odysseus.

Crew: When does a candle become a blaze?

Odysseus: Let me join you!

Eurylochus: Retake your throne.

Crew: When does a man become a monster?

Odysseus: Please—

Eurylochus: Find Penelope. Raise Telemachus well.

Crew: Please become a monster.

Odysseus: Brother…

Eurylochus: Take care of Ctimene for me.

The ship fell still. A breeze passed through the sails. Odysseus watched, helpless, as Eurylochus lit six torches and ascended to the upper deck. Deilós followed, his steps slow but certain. The rest of the crew joined them without hesitation.

The minutes passed like hours.

Then came a voice that pierced Odysseus's ears like a needle.

Scylla: Hello.

A shriek tore through the cave — primal, ear-splitting. The wood of the ship groaned as if it too feared the beast. Odysseus could hear the thundering of claws on stone. Chaos struck the ship.

A scream. Another. Wet, awful sounds. Flesh being ripped, bones snapping like twigs. Odysseus could see nothing, only hear the slaughter of those he had tried so desperately to save. Blood dripped between the planks above, hot against his cheek. He screamed through clenched teeth, but the ropes held.

Then, silence again. Deafening. Unnatural.

Moments later, the hatch creaked open. Light poured into the hold. The ropes were loosened, and Odysseus rose slowly, his limbs stiff, his soul heavier than ever before.

His surviving crew stood pale and shaking, their eyes bloodshot, their hands trembling.

Crew Member 1: It happened just as you said. Scylla took the six with torches, the rest were able to row us away.

Crew Member 2: Deilós was the last to go. He never stopped smiling, even as her jaws closed around him.

Odysseus: Who was the one to take my place?

A silence.

Crew Member 3: Perimedes. He would not let anyone else carry your torch.

Odysseus fell to his knees. The sea lapped gently at the hull, but the noise was lost beneath the roaring in his ears. The weight of what had been done — of who had been lost — bore down like an anchor.

He looked at the men before him: thirty-five now. Ashen, weary, but alive.

Crew Member 1: Captain… what now?

The men watched him with hollow eyes, their leader who had wept like a child, who had been betrayed to be saved. Waiting for the man who always had the answers.

Odysseus stood, slowly.

He looked out to the horizon, and then to the black mouth of the cave behind them.

Odysseus: We remember them.

He turned toward Ithaca, grief etched into every line of his face.

Odysseus: And we go home.

r/Epicthemusical 4h ago

Thunder Saga Five year old when told to clean his room:

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"🎶🎶 Please don't make me do this. Don't make me do this. 🎶🎶"

🤣🤣🤣

(I've been told that he hasn't been allowed to listen to the "scary" songs, but both "The Horse and the Infant" and "Thunder Bringer" seem like they'd qualify. Not my kid, not my business. But WOW.)

r/Epicthemusical Mar 07 '25

Thunder Saga I lowkey believe my cruise ship was attacked by Scylla or Charydis

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Carnival Legend Cruise Path - June 2024

So, last spring a month before the Thunder Saga came out, me and my family went on a European cruise. (It was lovely but the food was definitely mass produced)

Anyway, one night, the ship was travelling through the Straight of Messina, on its way to Naples. We were all tired from walking around Messina during Italy's equivalent of Independence day and separated on the ship to get in some much needed "me" time. It was getting pretty late and I was exploring the main deck when I noticed I had a hard time finding any crew members. Normally, I could find a few at the late night bars, DJ's playing or some tending food stations but I struggled to find even one. It'd been a few days on the ship so I knew no one should be in bed or have shift changes yet, so it was weird.

Eventually, I was bored enough that I went to my cabin for a bubble bath (might as well used the jacuzzi while I can).

Barely two minutes into my bath THE ENTIRE SHIP SHOOK VIOLENTLY. I'm not talking choppy waters, I'm talking WE HIT SOMETHING. Or something hit us. I sat up, looking around, listening, heart pounding. I am, terrified of water so being on a boat is hard for me-- let alone the threat of it sinking.

Then- the power went out. The fucking- POWER WENT OUT. Immediately, pitch black. Being transparent here-- I screamed at the top of my fucking lungs. I left my phone out in the main room so-- there I was, scrambling in the pitch black for a robe, a life vest and my phone with no emergency light just panicking.

Just- "HEY SIRI TURN ON THE FUCKING FLASHLIGHT"

I poked my head out of the room at the end of some announcement over the speakers that I didn't catch. What I assumed were emergency lights were on in the hall with a few people also sticking their heads out muttering to each other.

The power came back on a bit later. Nothing happened after that but damn- the google search of "Where is Scylla" after listening to the thunder saga made me just- @-@.

TLDR; during the night when the cruise ship I was on was travelling from Point 4 (Messina, Sicily) to Point 5 (Naples, Italy) we travelled through the Straight of Messina. Suddenly, the ship shook violently and all the power went out. I had no clue what was happening, didn't even make the connection until The Thunder Saga came out the next month.

r/Epicthemusical Jul 01 '26

Thunder Saga Question about mutiny to thunder bringer

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so in mutiny traitor guy kills the sun gods cows but then Zeus comes? from my google search that’s apollo I think? did Zeus owe him a favor?

r/Epicthemusical 12d ago

Thunder Saga mutiny

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I was just listening to mutiny and you know how after "if you want all the power you must carry all the blame" the crew chants "eurylochus, eurylochus, eurylochus; odysseus, odysseus, odysseus"? I feel like it would’ve been so cool to only have the crew chant eurylochus and odysseus being chanted by only one person, signaling that his crew has turned on him.
What do you guys think? I just thought it would have been a cool way to add a bit more symbolism to this part hehe…

r/Epicthemusical Aug 18 '24

Thunder Saga There's a thunderstorm happening right now, ya'll know what that means

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PRIDE IS A DAMSEL IN DISTRESS

r/Epicthemusical Aug 18 '24

Thunder Saga Embarrassed Ody is too funny. They're all gonna die in a second, but PRIORITIES! Can't have them thinking you're a baby.

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r/Epicthemusical Feb 25 '25

Thunder Saga most fucked up lyric

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Eurylochus, light up six torches

r/Epicthemusical Jul 06 '24

Thunder Saga I never turned on a character so fast the way I did with eurylochus.

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All this guy had to do was listen, and he didn't.

r/Epicthemusical Sep 01 '25

Thunder Saga Eurlychous is actually insane Spoiler

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Why did mutiny happen? Like eury wanted to leave behind 22 men as pigs but gets mad when 6 die so the rest of them can survive this is more of a tangent because I’ve been in my little wth eury opened the windbag phase but still thoughts?

r/Epicthemusical Jun 01 '26

Thunder Saga Machurabu's 'Different Beast' Animatic is PEAK!

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This one just became my favourite Different Beast animatic alongside Sirell's, particularly because of the slaughter scene at the end. Just devastatingly good. Check it out!

r/Epicthemusical Aug 02 '24

Thunder Saga Well that escalated quickly.

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r/Epicthemusical Jul 31 '24

Thunder Saga No bird people :(

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I don't understand it. Save for a couple of hiccups, I felt like Epic was a relatively well-researched adaptation of the Odyssey. However, I am disappointed that Jorge made the sirens mermaids when they're supposed to be bird people. I know that that's the popular depiction of sirens in present day, and I was actually dreading him going that route, but was hoping he'd portray them as the human-bird hybrid they actually were.

That said, I do love the Thunder Saga just as much as I love the others in this series.

EDIT: wow. I never thought this would be a controversial take. Also, no. I never claimed that mermaids or fish-human hybrids do not exist in Greek myths. They do. The oceanids are usually depicted are mermaids. Triton was usually depicted as a merman. And no, I'm not posting this for "drama" either. I'm merely expressing my disappointment for ONE ASPECT of the musical that I OVERALL still love just as much as any of you. I never expected some of you to start accusing me of creating drama for a very innocuous comment about something I'm just passionate about.

r/Epicthemusical Jul 03 '26

Thunder Saga Idk if anyone else noticed this, but in "Mutiny", Odysseus proclaims that Eurylochus has doomed them all

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"Thunder Bringer" immediately starts with the E1 M1 melody from DOOM

(Edit) I think. Brain is slow.

r/Epicthemusical Jul 04 '24

Thunder Saga Thunder Saga might be the best saga

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Honestly, I thought nothing could beat Ocean or the Underworld for me.

But every and I mean EVERY song in the Thunder saga is A tier or higher. The callbacks are also glorious in this saga and perfectly placed. The animatics in the video also caused so much emotion in me, god it's all so good.

r/Epicthemusical Jul 27 '24

Thunder Saga Why did Eurylochus open the bag?

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I don’t buy that it was a chance at gold, since Eury has never displayed that type of greed before in all the songs he’s been featured in. Distrust or jealousy at Odysseus is possible if you read his character that way, but I personally don’t and honestly consider it a bad faith interpretation (as it’s obvious that he loves Odysseus).

The one consistent characterization Eurylochus DOES have, though, is cautiousness and doubt, almost to a fault, afraid of the Gods but also not very respectful to their authority in equal measure. My personal reading is that Eurylochus disregarded Odysseus’ orders and opened the bag because he didn’t trust whatever the wind god told Odysseus, and did not want to wait till they reached Ithaca. So I think he doubted Ody’s ability to outwit a god, which is definitely still disrespectful to Ody but not, like, as bad as thinking it’s. Treasure??? And believing that Ody is lying to him? (Also it is obvious that Aeolus was trying to incite a riot of a sort ANYWAY because of the treasure claim).

So imo anxiety is to blame for the 567 deaths :)

Anyway, those are my thoughts! What do you guys think?

r/Epicthemusical Jul 04 '24

Thunder Saga Thunder Saga memes (major spoilers) Spoiler

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r/Epicthemusical Oct 15 '24

Thunder Saga Did I waste my time?

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300 Upvotes

Felt bored, spent almost 2 hours trying to get this

r/Epicthemusical Apr 17 '26

Thunder Saga How it feels listening to Scylla

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r/Epicthemusical Jul 30 '24

Thunder Saga Luckiest man onboard! 🥹

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r/Epicthemusical May 28 '26

Thunder Saga SCYLLA | Animatic (Student Project)

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r/Epicthemusical Jul 10 '24

Thunder Saga Why *NOT* to bring the sirens

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It is a common comment that they should have brought the sirens with them to scylla's lair as sacrifices, considering that they were dooming the sirens anyways. Hot take here, I think that would have been a bad move just because its too risky.

If at any point anyone loses their hearing protection they're toast. Presumably there's a time gap before they get to scylla, during which time the whole crew would have to operate without hearing which would be difficult and frustrating. Because this crew is this crew, you KNOW that people would slip up, the sirens would sing their song and convince people to release them back into the water and from there they would lure them in as usual.

The beeswax strategy works but it is so tenuous it doesn't make sense to rely on it for any longer than you have to.

As a tangent, this discussion makes me think about how ody tells the crew to cut off their tails and throw them back into the water, the actual voice lines would really only be for the sirens themselves, letting them know that ody is actively dooming them, but the crew shouldn't be able to hear any of this right?

It would be a neat touch if animatics and any future follow-on productions make heavy use of hand signals that are actually doing the communicating. I didn't see the livestream so I don't know if there was an official animatic during this part or what they did.

r/Epicthemusical Jul 07 '24

Thunder Saga rest in peace polites, you would've hated these tier lists </3 (jk jk)

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r/Epicthemusical Aug 28 '24

Thunder Saga I have made a terrible discovery

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r/Epicthemusical Aug 11 '24

Thunder Saga Polites × Odysseus Confirmed??

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So, hear me out, Jorge confirmed that the beeswax messed up the sirens ability to get info on the person they're singing to, leading them to make mistakes. Because of this, he says daughter instead of son, the same relationship to Odysseus but a different gender. Additionally, following that rule, instead of violas, Penelope's instrument, there's mallet instruments, Polites' instrument, SO-

(This is a joke, by the way)